Re: [Ugnet] RE: SQUANDERING NATIONS' RESOURCES ONLY ON SELF

Fri, 13 May 2005 00:13:58 -0700

Bwana Okuto,
 
Welcome to this old debate. The Self interest Bwana Mulindwa and I have been talikng about was not in terms of subscribing to given OBJECTIVES that other people can subscribe to on account of their apparent noble outlook. The SELF INTEREST we've been discussing is one based on what benefits one, as an individual, can get for his/her personal well-being, by being aligned to  a given set of values  regardless of whether those values are actually striving towards the achievement of the original noble Objectives. 
 
While this can be through Civil Society Organisations  of different strengths and/or shades (as you aver), the clearest manifestations tend be more exhibited in politics. People here take positions (on issues) which make one wonder whether they are from Mars especially when they had previously pronounced themselves on those issues to the contrary prior to ascending to positions of some privilege, which, therefore, needs protecting and defending. It was in this context that I cited,as examples, the utterances of our good "professors" in the NRM govt to-day: from the good old VP, Prime Minister, LG, Prime Minister's office, Finance, etc., etc.
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, May 12, 2005 01:41
Subject: Re: [Ugnet] RE: SQUANDERING NATIONS' RESOURCES ONLY ON SELF

David,

Correct! But then, what causes the greed ("SELF-INTEREST")?

Could it be that we have a lot too few interest organizations ( Strong civil society organization's) to cater for the various interests that form the pillars of our society?! There many sectors which otherwise should have been fundamental in our society but which interests are totally not structurally organized. Their voice means nothing,. Yet, relatively they should have been authorities.

Even the "SELF INTERESTS" are usually very short termed. And because they are not structurally organized any son of a this thing pushes his hands there and grab at will. Lack of "strukturell-funktionalism", so to say.

Society interests must be organized. But, not under very large umbrella if the interests are divergent. We need a lot many but strongly organized ones to tape the loop-holes that bed for grabs.

What do you think?

noc�l








--- On Tue 05/10, David Nyende < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
From: David Nyende [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected]
Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 16:49:03 +0300
Subject: Re: [Ugnet] RE: SQUANDERING NATIONS' RESOURCES ONLY ON SELF

Bwana Mulindwa,

I agree with most of your analysis especially regarding M-7's utterances
which are extremely economical on the TRUTH.

But on the inability of Ugandans to be critical thinkers, I think you are
generalising too much. What I personally have observed to be the major
problem with the political elite is SELF INTEREST. People deliberately
refuse to "think" or think 'backwardly' and make utterances which make you
wonder whether your ears served you well. Otherwise, can you explain to me
how a person calling him/herself a "professor" can make some of the
statements I've heard recently from our professors in M-7's regime in
support of the 5th term (25 years in power) ? It is SELF INTEREST rather
than inability to be analytical.

But since you are in North America, can you help me by telling me how much
this gorilla called Humvee costs (bullet-proof, TV, fridge, communication
equipment, parachute, open roof for papachuting in case all fails, etc).


----- Original Message -----
From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "David Nyende" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 02:26
Subject: Re: [Ugnet] RE: SQUANDERING NATIONS' RESOURCES ONLY ON SELF


> Mwaami Nyende
>
> The problem we must make public again and again is a simple fact that
> Ugandans are not critical thinkers. Many times I have gone back into my
> postings in these forums and wondered why every thing I predicted on
> Museveni and movement have become true to the last data. You and I know
that
> it was even impossible to post any thing happening in Uganda on Ugandanet
> because all Ugandans here were praising Museveni as a good leader, a man
who
> has done absolutely nothing good for our nation. Museveni was a disaster
> from day one and he had all the writing on the wall. From how he conducted
> his war in Luwero to how he became a president. Museveni addressed us in
> Nairobi and he categorically stated that he is fighting but he does not
want
> to lead Uganda. Ugandans believed him, but I did not for I knew the man
from
> way back.
>
> Why are we today in 2005 surprised that he is wasting public funds? when
has
> he ever been responsible to Uganda's funds?
>
> Em
> Toronto
>
> The Mulindwas Communication Group
> "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "David Nyende" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 3:53 AM
> Subject: Re: [Ugnet] RE: SQUANDERING NATIONS' RESOURCES ONLY ON SELF
>
>
> > Bwana Mulindwa,
> >
> > The issues you are raising are irrelevant to my concerns. I doubt
whether
> > you supported EVERYTHING the individuals in that 'elected government'
were
> > doing especially as they did not consult you (their supporter) on every
> > act
> > of theirs. And I further doubt whwther everything they did was on behalf
> > of
> > the people. While, for instance, the British still wanted Blair (by
> > re-electing him), they , however, disapproved his Iraq adventurism: If
> > only
> > he had asked them, they would have certainly said NO.
> >
> > I can understand your frustrations especially with respect to living out
> > for
> > nearly 20 years (?) but you should not overplay it because many of us
have
> > been there before you for roughly the same period but at different times
> > and
> > for the
> > same reasons as yours (forced exile) although not necessarily from your
> > 'elected
> > government'. All the happenings you are citing about the behaviour of
the
> > youg people, we have seen it all but those involved during our time were
> > mainly apartheid refugee patriots from South Africa, Namibia and
Zimbabwe,
> > who, like Ugandans, were people.
> >
> > I hope you will not turn this dialogue into an unendless one by raising
> > irrelevant arguments, which you are
> > normally wont to.
> >
> > Nyende
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Edward Mulindwa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "David Nyende" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 10, 2005 05:01
> > Subject: Re: [Ugnet] RE: SQUANDERING NATIONS' RESOURCES ONLY ON SELF
> >
> >
> >> David Nyende
> >>
> >> Did you allow Museveni to come to power? Museveni went to the bush and
> >> attacked an elected government, you stood up and supported him. Shovel
> >> it.
> >> There are reasons why we take a hard look on issues in our nation, I
want
> >> you to show me where you opposed when this man was fighting an elected
> >> government. Did you oppose him when he attacked The Bank of Uganda in
> >> Kabaale? Did you oppose him when he bombed an ambulance with a patient
in
> >> Mubende? You supported this man because you agreed that the elections
> >> were
> >> rigged, yet to today you or any of your followers have not told us who
> >> won
> >> that election.
> >>
> >> Bottom line Uganda is a personal property of Museveni, and any one who
> >> expects him to do better than this is naive, he is actually even doing
> >> better than I expected. Mwe mugende muwumule kasita mwebaka.
> >>
> >> Baffles how it takes the idiots 20 years to know how their nation is
> > fucked
> >> up, now wait for the long term effects of this leadership you will see.
> >> Look I have been abroad now for almost 20 years, but I have never seen
> > such
> >> a crime from immigrants from Uganda. Toronto as we speak has a kid who
> >> killed a Canadian, a kid, he is in jail, London a kid again killed
her
> >> mother and left her in house for 3 days with out telling any one. He
was
> >> cooking food and eating and sleeping in the same house for 3 firkin
days.
> >> and told no one. In states , a woman went to an immigration office and
> > told
> >> them that she lied to her immigration officer when she was coming to
the
> >> states. They deported her including every person who came with her,
this
> >> included 6 of his now grown up kids and their families, because she was
> >> at
> >> bottom of immigration tree.
> >>
> >> Those are the future Ugandans. Just watch out you will see how it plays
> >> after 10 years from today.
> >>
> >> Em
> >> Toronto
> >> The Mulindwas Communication Group
> >> "With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> >> Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> >> "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "David Nyende" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To:
> >> Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 7:30 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [Ugnet] RE: SQUANDERING NATIONS' RESOURCES ONLY ON SELF
> >>
> >>
> >> > Thereafter, on Sunday, we learnt about the giving to Mr. Kazibwe
(yes,
> > the
> >> > husband to former 50-plus-year old VP on whom ca. $1m is being
waisted
> > for
> >> > Ph.D) a Business Cluss Air Ticket to London to attend a son's
> >> > graduation
> >> > party. Ugandans with graduation parties !
> >> >
> >> > Sometimes the annoyance by someone treating the Nation's funds as if
> > they
> >> > were personal is so much that you wish you could drown these fellas
in
> >> > Lake
> >> > Vic !
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "David Nyende" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> > To: "Ugandanet"
> >> > Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 01:00
> >> > Subject: [Ugnet] RE: SQUANDERING NATIONS' RESOURCES ONLY ON SELF
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Have You Heard
> >> >> With Timothy Bukumunhe
> >> >> New Vision, Saturday May 7, 2005
> >> >>
> >> >> The Chief, President Yoweri Museveni, recently ditched his Range
Rover
> >> >> and
> >> >> has been cruising tawo in a black Lexus 4x4. Now sources tell us
that
> > in
> >> > the
> >> >> run-up to the 2006 elections, Museveni is set to acquire three new
> >> >> stste-of-the-art cars. The chosen car ? The Humvee, which will fully
> >> >> upgraded to meet his demands and security requirements. A senior
> > official
> >> >> from the Presidential Guard Brigade was recently dispatched to USA
to
> >> >> give
> >> >> the cars the once over.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
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