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Okuto
Sakert ar att folk do in Norra Uganda och bor dem i
Camps for lange sen. Fragan ar vem dod dem? Ar det UPDF eller
Konny?
Em
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With
Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in
anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans
l'anarchie"
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Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 9:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Ugandacom] Re: [Ugnet]
There are other sufferers in the North
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Ja du Mulindwa, �KRIG� sa du!!
Jag vill sj�lv inte se det s�. Jag b�de
inser och anser att det som har p�g�tt i Norra Uganda ej kan
r�ttm�ssigt definieras s�som att bek�mpa ett �KRIG�.
Men till�t mig �terkomma
imorgon.
Tack
Med v�nlig h�lsning
Noc�l |
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--- On Sat 05/21,
Edward Mulindwa < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:
From:
Edward Mulindwa [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]]
To:
[EMAIL PROTECTED],
[email protected]
Date: Sat, 21 May 2005 21:26:26
-0400
Subject: Re: [Ugandacom] Re: [Ugnet] There are other
sufferers in the North
Okuto
Finns dar en man som heter
Kony som gor krig i norra Uganda och for 19 ar mena du att Uganda
Government kan inte ta hand om honom?
Jag fraga en rakt fraga
och behover jag en rakt svara.
Em
Toronto
The Mulindwas
Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in
anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri
Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From:
Okuto del Coli
To: [email protected] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 20, 2005
5:50 AM
Subject: [Ugandacom] Re:
[Ugnet] There are other sufferers in the North
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Hall� d�r, l�tt som en pl�tt ( simple)!!
The one is LRA the other is UPDF.
The one is Ugandan national army the other is a
rebel terror. The one has mandate and jurisdiction to
operate within Uganda in protection of national
interest the other is a resistance army.
"...How then can you conclusively prove to
us that the Acholi in the camps are running from "LRA
Rebels" and not From Soldiers possing as
"rebels"?
I do not. All Iam saying is "call a spade, a spade"
not the big spoon!!
These days of proving,since the national army is
the one that has the mandate and jurisdiction to
operate within the territory of Uganda in protection
of our citizen, the dice for proving is thrown to you
Matek: prove that they are UPDF soldiers posing as
"rebels".
Would you?
Thanks in advance
Noc'la gau |
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--- On Fri
05/20, Matek Opoko < [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
wrote:
From:
Matek Opoko [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
[email protected]
Date: Fri, 20 May 2005
02:32:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: Re: [Ugnet]
There are other sufferers in the
North
Okutu:
Let me ask you a simply
question: please eductate some of us.
What is the
diffrence between the so called "Kony's LRA rebel"and
Museveni's UPDF soldier? How can you look at two gunmen,
who are exactly identical and conclude that one is a
"rebel" and one is a genunine "government Soldier"?
How then can you conclusively prove to us that
the Acholi in the camps are running from "LRA Rebels"
and not From Soldiers possing as
"rebels"?
Matek
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Ochan, at which of the camps do the Acoli
fleeing from LRA mutilation take solace?
The kind of Acoli that I know are at the
camps because of the LRA.
The kind of Acoli that I know became
concubines, sex-slaves and forced wives to LRA
officers including Kony himself.
The daughter of one of my best friends, was
abducted and became the bosses concubine at
THIRTEEN!!!
Another dear friend was a Headmistress. Was
abducted and infested with HIV!!
And the LRA propagandist, who is also married
at Pece knows these. He also figured in the so
called LRA press release which pledged for a
continuation of the strugggle: "the struggle
continues".
Should Ugandan say let Acoli leaders, who
have more often than not uttered expressions
like "governmente rac; Kony bene rach" , prove
that they do not love KONY / THE LRA?!?!
You Ochan forwarded the article "LRA press
relese" which was full of distortion and which
appended with "the struggle continues". After
opinion altenation, some one else came up with
what he called "to clear the air" about the
serious concern some of us had about that
garbage "press release".
Juging from your argument below, you do not
believe that Acoli who are running from LRA
atrocity are not in the Camps. Top that with the
fact that you had both the write and
read rights to the LRA press
release (considering that you were able to alter
some details from the copy to Ugandanet). Your
position appears (rightfully so) obscure and
controversial (EVEN HERE, YOU ARE DISTORTING
MATTER OF FACT ABOUT ACOLI IN THE CAMP!!!).
Should we request you to prove that you are
not a LRA sympathiser of that you should prove
that you do not like LRA?!?
When you blow your facts please acknowlege
that there are victims of LRA atrocities around,
whose feelings you might be hurting!!!
Best regards
noc'la gaoumoy |
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--- On Wed
05/18, Ochan Otim < [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
wrote:
From:
Ochan Otim [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
To:
[email protected]
Date: Wed, 18
May 2005 10:40:52 -0700
Subject: Re:
[Ugnet] There are other sufferers in the
North
In response to http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg19613.html
There are two types of camps in
Uganda.
1. Internally Displaced
People's Camps (IDP), the ones into which
people ran voluntarily (and rightfully so) for
security. These are found in Lango, Teso, and
elsewhere. And then there is the
2.
Forced Displacement Camps (FDC). These
camps are found exclusively in Acholi. These are
camps into which people were FORCED to live to
free up the fertile and vast Acoliland for
"investors". There are tons of evidence to back
these facts: the forceful remo val of citizens
and the motive behind it. Acoli people were
safer from LRA and UPDF among their tall grasses
before they were herded into camps.
Okwera's challenge to "Let the
Government prove it does not hate the
Acholis" is therefore very legit. I also
say, let the government of Uganda prove it does
not hate the Acoli
people.
Ochan
At 01:33
AM 5/18/2005, you wrote:
- Can Okwera tell us
today that Langis are not in camps? It is quite
wrong for us to get a problem in our nation and
we tribalise it.
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There are other sufferers in the
north
With due respect I found
Yoni Okwera-Olok's letter: "Let the Government
prove it does not hate the Acholis" very
bothering and a true example of the problem we
have in our nation today.
Mr Okwera must
remember to always be a Ugandan before he thinks
as an Acholi. Many of his facts are not true and
we need to throw away passion on this issue so
that we can see through the web of Okwera's
lies. Only then can we try to plant nationalism
in our nation.
Okwera must remember that
Uganda has gone through very hard times during
the Movement. Ombaci happened in West Nile,
Mukura was in eastern Uganda, Kibwetere was in
western Uganda. Yes, northern Uganda has had the
largest suffering under the Movement. But
northern Uganda is not only a land of Acholis,
so let us not play a tribal game here. The last
time I checked, Uganda had a people called
Langis. Can Okwera tell us to day that Langis
are not in camps? It is quite wrong for us to
get a problem in our nation and we tribalise
it.
The example Okwera-Olok uses of Obote
and Buganda is equally false, for Buganda has
never enjoyed power in Uganda than under both
Obote's governments. Yes, Okwera has a right to
hate Obote, but he must as well recognise that
the most powerful ministers in Obote's
government were actually Baganda. Okwera-Olok
must remember the names of powerful Baganda like
Eriya Babumba, Apolo Kironde, Luyimbazi Zaake,
Kalule Ssetaala, Keefa Ssempangi, Sam Mugwiisa,
Bidandi Ssali. Let us talk about Attorney
Generals like G. L. Binayiisa or even Nkambo
Mugerwa. Governors Bank of Uganda like Mubiru,
Kikonyogo, Leo Kibirango. All these were very
powerful Baganda during Obote's government.
Let us talk about the 1966 problem with
Mengo. Sir Edward Muteesa left Uganda for Unite
Kingdom. Obote as the Uganda president
instructed Bank of Uganda to send money to Sir
Edward for upkeep. T hat is why Sir Edward did
not end up on a welfare line in United Kingdom.
Baganda did not organise any means for
maintenance of their exiled King. What is
interesting is that this money continued flowing
into the same account through Amin's era, up to
today, because the instructions are still on
Uganda papers. When Obote came back to Uganda,
as a President and a minister of finance, he did
not cancel those instructions.
We must
be very careful when we make false public
statements to push our agenda. Okwera-Olok's
claim that Obote hates Baganda is totally
unfair. If he did hate them, Miria Obote should
have been a Langi or an Acholi. This is the
mother of Obote's children.
By all means
we have a problem in northern Uganda and no one
will debate that. But this problem is the same
with Langis as well.
Edward
Mulindwa
Toronto
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