Re: [Ugnet] Moving story coming: Obote Froze theKabaka'sAccount-Monitor 23/5/2005

Wed, 25 May 2005 13:37:46 -0700

Mr. Mulindwa,
 
I'll be plain: either you provide proof that supports your claim that Obote sent money for Muteesa's upkeep during exile or we will conclude that you are nothing more that an idle loudmouth full of little more than hot air.

Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Musamize
 
The answer to your number one question is a definitely yes, and it is very interesting that this issue is even  being made an issue for those of us who were following issues about Muteesa's trying to overthrow Uganda government at the time, those of us who knew how he went to the Uganda British Embassy to ask for arms to attack an elected government, a request the British refused by the way, thought this was a public knowledge but as it stands seems to be not. Look here Musamize the moment you become a leader your affairs become public, for example at a time Museveni became a President his wife was a single mother in Sweden and on welfare. That we as well know. Ask the Ugandans in Sweden who follow the issues. As Baganda we just do not care to know what happened, by the way Uganda government even at a time knew how Mutesa left Uganda through a friendly nation West of Uganda and gave him a free passage for they wanted him to go if the governme nt wanted Mutesa arrested he would have been. Let me as well add that.
 
Question two. Musamize you are an informed man this is 2005 get off your nice butt and do some research for this is a historical fact you need to know, let me not do your home work since I have mine to do.
 
Question three. At the time Ugandans did not know about exile, even during Amin's government you will be amazed that no Ugandan had a foreign account that habit has been built by Museveni's era, so I can not debate what I do not know, until when you prove Mutesa had foreign accounts then I can take an issue with that. As far as I know Muteesa Loved Uganda and never knew he would leave the nation why would he again scoop money to be allocated abroad, unless you know those facts and you are informing us today as a Muganda.
 
Question four. Obote has honestly survived on the good will of some very poor people who have tried their best to support him, and I think it is a good thing because he has lived on his good will. Musamize I was arrested by Obote's government and almost died in Makindye barracks, you have no idea how I ended up being a refugee but if you go in Ottawa citizen and Globe ad Mail of June 1984 achieves my story was a leading story for I was rescued by The Canadian embassy in Nairobi. So my case is a very public case, not some crap economical refugee, but at a time I had a point of death or alive situation, Margaret Thatcher's comments are as well in those papers about my life and exit out of Uganda, so I have no good words on that government. But the fact remains we need to state facts as they are. Ugandans love Obote we can not change that. And you as Musamize have a right  to hate him but developing requires both of those people to accept each o ther, which you have a problem with. A man has said he is going home and millions are planning to receive him. What does that tell you? May be we should in our personal hate of Obote accept it and move on?
 
The facts Musamize The facts are what we need to base on. Look doesn't it bother you that we are told that the last election of Obote two were rigged yet we do not know who won it 20 plus years now?
 
And just how stupid are we ? One must wonder!!
 
Em
Toronto
 The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
            Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: musamize
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Moving story coming: Obote Froze theKabaka'sAccount-Monitor 23/5/2005

Mr. Mulindwa,
 
For a self-proclaimed "Critical Thinker", you spend a tremendous amout of time beating about the bush, all the time wishing and praying that the questions will magically evaporate.
 
The questions on the table are:
 
1. Did Obote send money for Muteesa's upkeep during exile -- as you have claimed -- or not?
 
2. If so, how much, when, and from whence and with what authority?
 
3. And. what in the world did Obote do with the money in Muteesa's account in Uganda after he froze the account?
 
Unless answer are forthcoming, and since we all know that Obote has never put in an honest day's work all the time he has been in exile, I'll assume that Obote has been actually eating on Muteesa's money all these years, otherwise how has he survived thus far and managed to live so high on the hog?
 
ps: "I do not know" is an acceptable answer to each of those questions.

Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
What a critical thinker does in a circumstance like this is to tell us how
Muteesa survived in UK, I wish Kasangwawo can stop the ranting and tell us
how Magulunyondo survived? Did Baganda send funds to support our King? And
if not so we could ask our selves why? Because failing to address this issue
today we will have another King in exile and he still will live in poverty
for Obote is gone from Uganda's history and I do not see Mutebi in Kingdom
pass Museveni. I really do not.

But the Kasangwawo's just keep on singing Ssabasajja Waligwa nange wendigwa
crap. And we pick no lesson at all, that is true Bugandism.

Em
Toronto

The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"

----- Original Message -----
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Tuesday, May 24, 2005 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Moving story coming: Obote Froze the
Kabaka'sAccount-Monitor 23/5/2005


Mw. Mulindwa,
Did I miss your response to this below, or are you still "critically
thinking"
about it?

Once again, my name is at the bottom of the posting.

> jonah kasangwawo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> Mw. Musamize,
>
> you will have noticed that this is the usual way Mulindwa acts when he
> is
> challenged about his wild allegations, which he normally has no inkling
>
> about. He starts yelling about something else that has completely no
> relevance to the issue at hand ! This is a sign of a liar or someone
> with
> low intelligence.
>
> He is now like a boxer who continually threatens his opponent with a
> beating
> but does nothing until the opponent kno cks him out cold. Mulindwa, why
> don't
> you just give up - you are out cold.
>
> Kasangwawo
>
> >From: musamize
> >Reply-To: ugandanet@kym.net
> >To: ugandanet@kym.net
> >Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Moving story coming: Obote Froze the Kabaka's
> >Account-Monitor 23/5/2005
> >Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 17:00:04 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Mr. Mulindwa:
> >
> >Do not evade the question. You have stated, in print, and elsewhere
> that
> >Obote sent money to support Kabaka Muteesa II after he tried and failed
> to
> >kill him in the Lubiri.
> >
> >I asked you provide even a scintilla of evidence to or anyother proof
> to
> >support your wild claims. You pretended not to notice my request.
> >
> >Now it turns out, that your hero actually did the opposite: he actually
>
> >froze Muteesa's acco unt. Moreover this is to appear in a UPC-friendly
>
> >paper.
> >
> >The interesting thing would be to learn what Obote did with Muteesa's
> money
> >and by what authority. Talk about thieves in high places!
> >
> >Another thing: Why do you have such a hard time with facts and how come
> you
> >rarely -- if ever -- address questions you are asked directly? e.g.
> where
> >in my one sentence note do you read any reference to deathrow, etc?
> >
> >Or are you just fascinated by demolishing strawmen that you erect?
> >
> >
> >Now, here are some sources of bwino on the Late Muteesa's finances,
> which
> >were declassified sometime ago by the British government. See if any of
>
> >them can, even remotely, lend a picogram of credibility to your wild
> claims
> >on how Obote used to send Muteesa money dur ing the latter's exile:
> >
> >Financial and other difficulties faced by Sir Edward Mutesa ex-Kabaka
> of
> >Buganda, 1967 Jan 01-1967 Dec 31, Doc #FCO 31/179
> >
> >Financial and other difficulties faced by Sir Edward Mutesa ex-Kabaka
> of
> >Buganda, 1968 Jan 01-1968 Dec 31, Doc #FCO 31/1074
> >
> >
> >etc, etc
> >
> >ps: might as well finish doing your homework for you: FCO refers to
> >Foreign and Commonwealth Office. You could also wait to be rescued by
>
> >tomorrow's Monitor.
> >
> >
> >Edward Mulindwa wrote:
> >Musamize
> >
> >Let us get out of this crap, you want me to post the details I will and
> you
> >know it. The danger here is that you think I am on the opposite side,
> yet I
> >am only posting facts. Was Obote the best president for Uganda? May be
& amp; gt; not.
> >Was I arrested by Obote's government and ended up in exile to today?
> May be
> >yes. But the point here is to state facts. Facts that we can not
> change.
> >
> >And when we are at facts, here is another one I just found out about
> Obote.
> >Apparently Uganda has a standing order on books that all Ugandans
> sentenced
> >to death in Luzira, can never die until a sitting president has signed
> a
> >death warrant. So in Uganda as a state, if you take any body to court
> for
> >any case which results to a death sentence, he is sent to Luzira and
> waits
> >for death. But Commissioner Ssentamu can not kill any prisoner in
> Luzira
> >without a Presidential signature . So a sitting president gets a list
> of
> >names of people on death sentence and he selects who to die and who not
> to
> >according to ad visers. And Luzira as a prison has a list of Death
> >sentenced Ugandans who have been killed to today, and which president
>
> >signed their sentence. Including the ones who were killed under a
> signature
> >of president Mutesa 2.
> >
> >It so just happens, that Obote never signed a death sentence of any
> Ugandan
> >at Luzira. So to put it in perspective, during Obote one and Obote two,
> no
> >single prisoner on death sentence in Luzira was hanged. Again these are
>
> >public records that can be accessible by any body out there.
> >
> >I wish one Ugandan has the strength to post here how many Ugandans have
>
> >been signed off by Museveni's presidency.
> >
> >But hoi we cannot be that critical for 'kasita ffe twebaka' man. It is
> all
> >crap and a bunch of non critical thinkers.
> >
> >Makes one puke
> >
> >Em
> >Toronto
> > The Mulindwas Communication Group
> >"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
> > Groupe de communication Mulindwas
> >"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: musamize
> >To: ugandanet@kym.net
> >Sent: Monday, May 23, 2005 3:11 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Moving story coming: Obote Froze the Kabaka's
> Account
> >-Monitor 23/5/2005
> >
> >
> >Mr. Mulindwa:
> >
> >Is this the same Obote that sent money to Muteesa II during the
> latter's
> >exile in the UK or is the Monitor reporting about someone else?
> >
> >Omar Kezimbira wrote:
> >Obote froze the Kabaka's account - Monitor 23/5/2005By Esther Nakkazi
> >LONDON - Thirty-nine years ago today, the Kabaka of Buga nda and
> President
> >of Uganda, Sir Edward Mutesa was overthrown in a bloody coup that cost
>
> >hundreds of lives.
> >
> >His Prime Minister, Apollo Milton Obote, deployed army chief Idi Amin
> to
> >attack the Kabaka's palace at Mengo, but after a daylong gun battle,
> they
> >failed to kill or capture him.
> >
> >Classified documents recently obtained from the National Archives of
> >Britain indicate that after he made his heroic escape from Uganda to
> the
> >UK, Mutesa was forced to live the life of a pauper after Obote froze
> his
> >account in Kampala from which money could have been sent to the Kabaka
> in
> >UK.
> >Obote slapped a state of emergency on Buganda and arrested the
> Nabagereka
> >and Mutesa's sister for fear that the Baganda would rally around
> them.
> >
> >Th e Monitor has obtained the secret documents detailing the suffering
>
> >Mutesa underwent after Obote confiscated his money, and brings you the
>
> >moving story tomorrow, Tuesday May 24.
> >
>
>
>
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