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I have read through your mail and i wish to correct as here under. In the
last referendum that was held in Uganda, which the Movement won by 90.7%
with a turnout of 51.1%, there was no way a dead person could have voted as
you claim. It is true that there were problems related with the registers
which resulted in some people miss voting because their names never appeared
on the register. We hope the Electoral Commissiom will clean the registers
before the next election. However, the irregularities in the register do
not affect the results substatially.
Moses Byaruhanga
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From: Y YAOBANG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 12, 2000 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: ugnet_: Mr. Akena Obote's data
> Muniini K. Mulera:
>
> Now, sir, you have surely bared your ass for the licking. We can always
> debate about the past, BUT Let's talk, for the moment, about what
> recently happened - the NRM referendum figures. "The dead voted with
> their legs", reported a famous journalist. The registers should be there
> for all to see, if they have not been doctored already; ask your NRM
> buddies in Kampala to show us. I thought Museveni went to the bush
> "because of the rigging" and he would correct it!! Vola!
>
> Anyway, I'll be back to analyze the rest of what's oozing out of your
> other end.
>
>
> y
> Ntambi Mulera wrote:
> >
> > Mr. Akena Obote:
> >
> > First I must state that the Ankole 1962 election anecdote is so widely
known
> > in the South West that it has been taken as a given for decades now.
Given
> > a choice between your statements/figures and the old men and women of
UPC
> > who were in on the action in 1962 and 1980, the choice is very simple.
> >
> > Whereas I must apologize to one and all if in fact the Ankole anecdote
is
> > not supported by figures, I must tell you that I give your figures as
much
> > credence as I give a palm reader's forecasts. (Save your breath. I do
not
> > believe current Electoral Commission Chief Hajji Aziz Kasujja's figures
> > either.)
> >
> > The trouble is that still alive are men in Nkore and Kigezi who actually
did
> > the rigging work for the UPC in 1962 and 1980, and they have confessed
> > publicly over and over again. The trouble is that still alive are
people
> > who were present when the votes that were counted in the constituencies
in
> > 1980 were totally different from the results that Muwanga announced in
> > Kampala. The trouble is that some of the Electoral Commissioners from
1980
> > are still alive and well - and I many of us would take their word before
> > yours (your papa's).
> >
> > Of course I expect you to believe your father's figures, and perhaps you
> > genuinely believe that your papa's party won clean in the 1962 and 1980
> > elections. Please thyself my brother.
> >
> > You know what, the other day I saw/heard Rhodesia's Ian Smith saying his
UDI
> > government was very popular among the blacks during his rule. Man's
ability
> > to believe that his deeds were better than his opponents continue to
amaze.
> >
> > Fact: UPC rigged the 1962 elections. UPC rigged the 1980 elections.
> > Electoral fraud is as Ugandan as Matooke. Whether you believe it or
not is
> > neither here nor there.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Muniini K. Mulera
> >
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> > From: The Fugee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[email protected]>
> > Cc: Ugandalist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; UPCnet <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2000 3:37 AM
> > Subject: Re: ugnet_: Let the Discussions Begin
> >
> > > Miniini,
> > >
> > > I could not let your lies go unchallenged. In the posting below you
assert
> > > that: -
> > >
> > > "This electoral fraud is a terrible tradition in our country that
dates
> > back
> > > to the very first national elections in Uganda. For example in an
Ankole
> > > constituency that was so predominantly Catholic you could not see one
> > > Protestant on a clear day, the UPC (Protestant) candidate in 1962 won
with
> > a
> > > whopping majority that exceeded the adult population of the
constituency.
> > > (That was a time when, with few exceptions, Catholics voted DP and
> > > Protestants voted UPC.)"
> > >
> > > I would have thought that the "first national elections" was in 1961
but
> > > when you are given to lies, you may not consider such as important.
Below
> > is
> > > a table of the population according to the 1959 census followed by the
the
> > > total number of names in the final register, so that we could clearly
> > > demonstrate the enormity of lie that "the UPC (Protestant) candidate
in
> > 1962
> > > won with a whopping majority that exceeded the adult population of the
> > > constituency"
> > >
> > > North East Ankole 74,683 28,151
> > > North West Ankole 91,126 35,460
> > > Central Ankole 93,363 41,309
> > > West Ankole 88,038 35,843
> > > South West Ankole 92,711 37,102
> > > South East Ankole 91,421 34,043
> > >
> > > There were a total of 172 additions and 23 deletions to the register
in
> > > these six constituencies.
> > >
> > > The Voting in 1961 went as follows:-
> > >
> > > NORTH EAST ANKOLE (92.3% voted)
> > >
> > > B. M. Byanyima (DP) 16,113
> > > W. W. Rwetsiba (UPC) 9,857
> > >
> > > Majority - 6,256 (DP)
> > >
> > > NORTH WEST ANKOLE (91.9% voted)
> > >
> > > A. K. Balinda (UPC) 10,542
> > > B. K. Bataringaya (DP) 21,986
> > >
> > > Majority - 11,444 (DP)
> > >
> > > CENTRAL ANKOLE (94.3% voted)
> > >
> > > C. B. Katiti (UPC) 22,269
> > > A. Ndyanabo (DP) 16,718
> > >
> > > Majority - 5,551 (UPC)
> > >
> > > WEST ANKOLE (95.8% voted)
> > >
> > > G. S. Ibingira (UPC) 17,786
> > > H. Mbyemeire (DP) 16,530
> > >
> > > Majority - 1,256 (UPC)
> > >
> > > SOUTH WEST ANKOLE (91.4% voted)
> > >
> > > A. J. R. Kangahho (DP) 18,417
> > > E. S. Kareba (UPC) 15,492
> > >
> > > Majority - 2,925 (DP)
> > >
> > > SOUTH EAST ANKOLE (94.3% voted)
> > >
> > > N. K. Bananuka (UPC) 14,774
> > > F. J. I. Kangwamu (DP) 17,330
> > >
> > > Majority - 2,556 (DP)
> > >
> > >
> > > The total votes cast throughout Uganda were as follows:-
> > >
> > > DP 415,718
> > > UPC 494,959
> > > UNC 31,712
> > > UAU 1,172
> > > UHCP 6,559
> > > Indpendents 48,457
> > >
> > > giving a total of 998,617 votes counted of 1,275,638 registered
> > representing
> > > a poll of 78.3%. The DP won the 1961 election because of the boycott
> > ensured
> > > that only 36,006 people registered throughout Buganda for the 1961
> > > elections, this figure rose to 805,647 registered voters for the 1962
> > > elections. Going back to Ankole where the Muniini claims there was a
> > > mythical majority "that exceeded the adult population of the
> > constituency",
> > > the final register for the1962 elections were as follows:-
> > >
> > > North East Ankole 31,838
> > > North West Ankole 41,241
> > > Central Ankole 46,726
> > > West Ankole 40,464
> > > South West Ankole 42,085
> > > South East Ankole 39,953
> > >
> > > And the results were as follows: -
> > >
> > > NORTH EAST ANKOLE (79.8% voted)
> > >
> > > B. M. Byanyima (DP) 15,186
> > > G. W. Sendawula (UPC) 10,204
> > >
> > > Majority - 4,982 (DP)
> > >
> > > NORTH WEST ANKOLE (88.9% voted)
> > >
> > > J. Kananura (UPC) 12,506
> > > B. K. Bataringaya (DP) 24,127
> > >
> > > Majority - 11,621 (DP)
> > >
> > > CENTRAL ANKOLE (87.4% voted)
> > >
> > > C. B. Katiti (UPC) 23,115
> > > M. Ndyanabo (DP) 17,245
> > >
> > > Majority - 5,870 (UPC)
> > >
> > > WEST ANKOLE (90.1% voted)
> > >
> > > G. S. Ibingira (UPC) 19,249
> > > H. Mbyemeire (DP) 17,149
> > >
> > > Majority - 2,100 (UPC)
> > >
> > > SOUTH WEST ANKOLE (84.1% voted)
> > >
> > > A. J. R. Kangahho (DP) 18,372
> > > E. S. Kareba (UPC) 17,034
> > >
> > > Majority - 1,338 (DP)
> > >
> > > Based on the above results it is abundantly clear that "the good
doctor"
> > has
> > > an ulterior motive in publicly propagating patently false information.
The
> > > whole idea seems to be based on discredting the nature of previous
> > elections
> > > so as to create disillusionment with the whole exercise. When
considered
> > > that among the various claims of the NRA for waging a bloody and
vicious
> > war
> > > was the ALLEGED rigging of the poll, isn't it ironic that Muniini can
now
> > > state that it was "most likely fraud"? This is a bitter lesson in the
art
> > of
> > > hypocrisy. If it was even remotely true that the NRA waged a war on
the
> > > basis of a rigged elections, how is it that right up to now they have
not,
> > > nor to they even intend to work out how we, as Ugandans can have the
> > freest
> > > and fairest competitive elections? Nor has any evidence been produced
to
> > > substantiate the allegation that "We saw similar massive fraud in
1980".
> > It
> > > is not surprising that Muniini was happy to post Onyango Obbo's
equally
> > > hypocritical analysis on rigging, laced with vague and unsubstantiable
> > > allegations and insinuations?
> > >
> > > The only sensible choice is for Ugandans as a whole to participate in
the
> > > freest and fairest competitive multiparty elections (on a level
playing
> > > field) where each individual Ugandan citizen can participate according
to
> > > his/her conscience, and whether Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, animist,
> > > agnostic, atheist or whatever; can before God cast his/her ballot for
the
> > > good of our beloved country, whereby only the omniscient God can know
how
> > > and why such an individual voted the way they did. Quite frankly, I do
not
> > > ascribe to the categorisations Muniini and Bwanika use in analysing
voting
> > > patterns!
> > >
> > > FOR GOD AND MY COUNTRY!
> > >
> > > The Fugee
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Ntambi Mulera <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
> > > Date: Saturday, July 08, 2000 06:45
> > > Subject: ugnet_: Let the Discussions Begin
> > >
> > >
> > > >Hello Yoswa:
> > > >
> > > >Very thoughtful observations as usual. While you and I disagree on
one
> > > >fundamental area, I agree with a lot of your analysis, especially
your
> > > >comments on the results/voter figures. The inflated figures from
Mbarara
> > > >are very unlikely to be an isolated incident, and in my opinion they
> > cannot
> > > >be ascribed to incompetence. It was most likely fraud.
> > > >
> > > >Now if the voter rolls were inflated, why should we believe that
there
> > was
> > > >no double or triple voting as well?
> > > >
> > > >This electoral fraud is a terrible tradition in our country that
dates
> > back
> > > >to the very first national elections in Uganda. For example in an
Ankole
> > > >constituency that was so predominantly Catholic you could not see
one
> > > >Protestant on a clear day, the UPC (Protestant) candidate in 1962 won
> > with
> > > a
> > > >whopping majority that exceeded the adult population of the
constituency.
> > > >(That was a time when, with few exceptions, Catholics voted DP and
> > > >Protestants voted UPC.)
> > > >
> > > >We saw similar massive fraud in 1980 - something which some of our
> > > >colleagues on this net vehemently deny of course. There were similar
> > > >allegations about the 1996 elections.
> > > >
> > > >As to why there was a low voter turn out, that is something I feel
> > > extremely
> > > >unqualified to speculate about. I spoke with one of my relatives by
> > phone
> > > >a few days ago, and when I asked him whether he had voted in the
> > > referendum,
> > > >he replied: "What for?"
> > > >
> > > >You were one of the boycotters?, I asked him.
> > > >
> > > >"Good God no! I am a staunch Movementist and for me the devil you
know is
> > > >better than the one you don't."
> > > >
> > > >Then why did you not vote?
> > > >
> > > >"I knew the Movement was going to win. So why waste my public holiday
> > going
> > > >to vote when the outcome was obvious."
> > > >
> > > >Maybe he was one of the few who felt that way, although he claimed
that
> > > many
> > > >of his friends whose political leanings he knows did not vote either.
> > > >
> > > >Maybe this gentleman was one of a huge number of Movement supporters
> > whose
> > > >decision was based on that logic. I don't know. If I were a
political
> > > >scientist at Makerere I would team up with Kampala's emerging polling
> > > >organizations to do a survey of those who did not vote and find out
the
> > > >reasons for the low voter turn out.
> > > >
> > > >This information may be helpful to both The Movement and
multipartyists
> > as
> > > >they consider the next steps in their respective strategies.
> > > >
> > > >How long are we going to keep dancing in circles? Next week's
> > > international
> > > >conference on AIDS in your neck of the woods will, I hope, be a
reminder
> > > to
> > > >us (if ever we needed one) that Africa's more urgent problems are the
> > need
> > > >to wage the war against that horrible scourge on our continent,
extreme
> > > >poverty and our continued marginalization from the rest of the world.
> > > >
> > > >Our form of governance is very important of course, but let us not
lose
> > > >focus on who our common enemy really is.
> > > >
> > > >Cheers,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Muniini K. Mulera
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >----- Original Message -----
> > > >From: YM Dambisya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > >To: <[email protected]>
> > > >Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 6:20 AM
> > > >Subject: Re: ugnet_: Let the Discussions Begin
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> A week ago, I sought to engage you, my fellow Ugandans, in a post-
> > > >> hoc analysis of what I referred to as a sham exercise. The
> > > >> contributions that arose were characterised by something which
> > > >> many of us had more or less written off on this forum: civility.
And
> > for
> > > >> that, I thank you all. In a few days' time I shall be out of
station,
> > so
> > > I
> > > >> thought I should revisit thios issue by way of concluding what I
> > > >> started.
> > > >>
> > > >> Among some of the earliest responses to my call for discussions on
> > > >> the referendum were those from Dr Muniini and Mr Gregory Mafabi. I
> > > >> reacted to Dr Muniini's immediately because I had mis-attributed
> > > >> something to him. Because Mr Mafabi was of the view that it was too
> > > >> late, if not ineffectual to talk, I decided to keep quiet and see
what
> > > the
> > > >> rest would say on that. In addition, Bwanika, Matovu, Tony Ekodou,
> > > >> Kipenji, Kironde, Matek, Chris Opoka, and several others have
> > > >> enriched our understanding and interpretation of the referendum.
The
> > > >> conclusion, however, seems inescapble that the referendum achieved
> > > >> nothing by way of forging a national consensus.
> > > >>
> > > >> All of us seem to have emerged from that exercise with the very
views
> > > >> we held before.Dr Muniini, for example, who knew a year ago that
the
> > > >> ground was not level insisted throughout the "campaign" that the
> > > >> parties should participate, he told the parties to go out and vote,
and
> > > >> he has announced that the parties are double losers (for losing the
> > > >> process to the un-even ground and for losing by >90%). Others,
yours
> > > >> truly inclusive, maintain that since the parties, as parties, could
not
> > > >> be a party to that exercise, they could not be reflected in the
results
> > > >> one way or another.That is a view that did not change either way
with
> > > >> June 29.
> > > >>
> > > >> I found a very sobering summary of the referendum results in a
> > > >> newspaper piece forwarded to me by a friend of Uganda (I now don't
> > > >> remember from which paper, if the figures below remind you of the
> > > >> origin, let the rest know):
> > > >>
> > > >> 1. Out of 214 constituencies, the voter turn-out was less than 50%
in
> > > >> 145, and 50% or more in 69%.
> > > >> 2. All over the country, the Municipalities/other urban areas
> > > >> registered the lowest voter turn-out, with the exception of Kampala
> > > >> which recorded >50%.
> > > >> 3. Cosntituencies associated with NRM big-wigs had some of the
> > > >> lowest voter turn-outs in the respective areas, notably:
> > > >> Wapakhabulo's (21%), VP Kazibwe's (22%), NRM Caucus Chairman
> > > >> Bukenya's (31%).
> > > >> 4. The geographical distribution of the constituencies where voter
> > turn-
> > > >> out was >50% shows a distinct bias towards one part of the country.
> > > >> 5. There were polling agents only for the Movement all over the
> > > >> country.
> > > >>
> > > >> The above, coupled with the donor indictment of the flawed process
> > > >> leading to the referendum may perhaps explain why the celebrations
> > > >> are yet to begin.
> > > >>
> > > >> But what I wanted to counter today is the claim we are being fed
that
> > > >> the low voter turn-out was not, really, a boycott but a reflection
of
> > > >> voter-fatigue, or of what voters do elsewhere. Erudite writers like
Dr
> > > >> Muniini have cited the figures from the USA, others have drawn
> > > >> comaprisons with figures from other elections in Uganda. In all
such
> > > >> cases, however, no mention is made of the fact that there was no
> > > >> boycott call in the US election, or the fact that those Ugandans
who
> > > >> decried the Movement Act/Local Govt Act boycotted the elections.
> > > >> Given the fact that M7 went all out to ask people to vote for the
> > > >> Movement, it is rather silly to suggest that his supporters knew he
> > > >> had already won, and hence decided to stay away. Anecdotal
> > > >> reports, like Kiggundu's, are of no consequence because we know
> > > >> that the same Kiggundu could not wait to cast his vote in the
> > > >> presidential elections. Perhaps subconsciously they just could not
> > > >> get themselves to vote against The Fugee's right to belong to a
party
> > > >> of his heart's desire.
> > > >>
> > > >> For about 20 years, the NRM/A has breathed, preached, fought for
> > > >> and called for the death of the parties with the aim of being the
sole
> > > >> player on the Ugandan political scene. For a while, they were able
to
> > > >> hoodwink some Ugandans to run alongside them, and in the even
> > > >> lend the air of competitive respect to their "elections". This
time
> > even
> > > >> Ssemogerere refused to oblige them, for even he has to draw the
line
> > > >> in the sand somewhere! One of the lines of wisdom I like a lot
> > > >> admonishes us to be careful what we wish for, the NRM/A should
> > > >> have been advised accordingly. Their wish is to see no
> > > >> UPC/DP/CP/UPM/UNL activities in Uganda, why then are they not
> > > >> jumping for joy when those political parties refuse to get into
> > action?
> > > >>
> > > >> What is one supposed to make of the fact that the Mbarara register
> > > >> was supposedly inflated? What about the possibility that more than
> > > >> 50% of the entire population of Bushenyi, I think, are registered
> > > >> voters? Did the civic education fail or did it succeed? Those are
some
> > > >> of the questions one could add to the list suggested by Dr Muniini,
as
> > > >> we probe our way around the fog intensified by the referendum.
> > > >>
> > > >> According to the Constitution, ".......during the period when any
of
> > the
> > > >> political systems ....................has been adopted,
organisations
> > > >> subscribing to other political systems amy exist subject to such
> > > >> regulations as Parliament shall by law prescribe." (Art.73. 1)
> > > >> Which is of great comfort to the organisations in question,
> > > >> considering that the same Parliament refused to regulate party
> > > >> activities prior to the last exercise. Since there is no time frame
> > > >> mentioned, should it surprise us if nothing happens in that regard
> > > >> until, say, the year 2050?
> > > >>
> > > >> That scenario brings me to the question already being asked about
> > > >> whether or not the parties will participate in next years
elections.
> > > >> The answer ought to be a categorical NO. And I wish all of us could
> > > >> leave the Movement to run against itself, the more that its tricks
may
> > > >> be exposed. The only way out, of course, is for M7 to order his
> > > >> parliamentarians to pass a law giving the parties some space.
> > > >> Otherwise he will face even greater embarrassment in the
presidential
> > > >> elections.The other alternative, will be to ochegerise the next
> > > >> presidential elections too. Only the donors can be fooled so many
> > > >> times.
> > > >>
> > > >> In conclusion, what I have seen and read over the past week has
> > > >> reinforced my original assessment of the referendum as flawed from
> > > >> start to finish. The stats arising therefrom offer even less
comfort. I
> > > >> still believe that the calls for the boycott were successful. The
way
> > > >> forward is for M7 to open up the political space or else he will
keep
> > > >> getting percentages in the relms of 99 - 99.9999, in the foot-steps
of
> > > >> Kamuzu Banda and Chairman Mao. What a legacy that will leave for
> > > >> Uganda!
> > > >>
> > > >> Best regards,
> > > >>
> > > >> Yoswa.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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