This was a private conversation I had with one man. I a feminist who believes that empowering African (Igbo) women economically will produce gender catastrophy for African women as it has for America women, where they are killed and beaten at an alarming rate. If America, with all her technology has failed to stop violence against women, who are we, AFRICANS, to follow in their footsteps? I believe African women don't need economic power but a clear understanding of why men beat women. Anyo
Re: Igbo women and economic empowerment As a feminist, I don't believe that African women need economic empowerment. First African women need to understand why men beat women. A successful answer to this question will help African (Igbo women better. I encourage African women to THINK hard for an answer to the last question. _______________________ We have observed different species and discovered the many reproductive mechanisms. For example- A female gorilla's bottom turns pink and becomes exposed when she is ready to mate. In other words, she is telling the male gorrilla "I am ready. I would like to be penetrated." There is no culture that teaches a female gorilla how to 'pink' its bottom when in heat. Given that example, lets observe ourselves as humans but first focus on what men do or don't do and yet patriarchy (culture-religion) does not teach them. 1. Statistics America-One man wrote in his book that in his 20+ years, as a counselor, not a single woman, if I remember correctly, he wrote "not one woman..", ever came back to say that abuse from her husband decreased after the birth of a child. It either stayed the same or INCREASED. Africa-In different cultures, including my own, it is common knowledge to hear women saying that abusive husbands usually wait until their wives give birth, then they start beating her because they know she can't leave due to economic dependence. I doubt if these 'two' men met somewhere in the continent or called each on their cell phones and said "Look, you are in America, I am in Africa, but remember to "pump up gas" after the birth of a child. Ok!?" Are there video games in America that teaches boys from childhood or as grown men, to increase abuse of the women they penetrate after the birth of a child? Is there an African culture that teaches boys to indulge themselves after the birth of a child? Is it the same trend in Asia, Australia and Europe..etc? 2. During my research I asked men why abusers don't conciously hit a woman's breast as they would the rest of the body. Their response was "No man would do that because a woman's breast is very important to him." Important to him? Now think about it! How could a few African men that I talked to be so sure and so accurate about the behaviour of other men in private? Look around you! Patriarchy offers men the tool (culture and religion) to use to employ all forms of violence against women, but is there a culture or religion that teaches boys/men not to hit the breast? 3. Men who penetrate women, usually suck the breast before penetration. During or after penetration, yes. But before happens almost always. Is there a culture that teaches boys to suck the breast before penetration? QUESTION Given the examples above, what do we know that women do and yet they are not scripted by patriarchy (culture and religion)? I would be delighted if this could generate debate among us on this list. So please respond. Anyo --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Ever since I started participating in the Internet write ups and net > working, Little did I notice, the mention of Igbos families and the plight of women > in our society and lives. It is quite an oversight and omission not to put > our women, into the equation and equilibrium in our thinking and planning. > Quite often women become the silent partner in our daily lives, while we the men > assumed that we will make it without our women and just by ourselves.That > notion is wrong and is a BIG MISTAKES. > > Women are the happiness of every family > Women are the strength of families > Women are the economic back bone in every house holds > Women art the health of every families, > Women are the security, glue and bond in our family > > Therefore women often needs to be economically and financially empowered and > sufficient. > We need to put serious thinking and listing to our girls in choosing their > cares in school, we need to encourage them, to do just any thing that they > wanted and interested to do. Such acclamation will eventually guide them into > successful women hood and will guide them into building a healthy family that > will eventually made them, selves sufficient. > > For women of today, all women need a career that will promotes self esteem > and self actualization and that will translate into happy and health family. > We need (MEN) needs to encourage our wife's into becoming what is desired and > what is it, that will establishes a lasting stability for our, families. > > I want all our wife's and daughters to realize that Nwakaibie is on their > side, and I will fight for a legislature that will brings equality among men and > women. I will legislate a non job discrimination act that will uplift our > women, daughters and mothers. I will see to it, that federal government spends > a good amount of money on women issue and women health care. > > > > I Remain Loyal > > > > OGBUEFI NWAKAIBIE ONWUEGBUSI > HOUSTON > watchdog for Justice, Equality and Fairness > watchdog for grass root movement. > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], "Anyo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > As a feminist, I don't believe that African women need economic > empowerment. First African women need to understand why men beat > women. A successful answer to this question will help African (Igbo > women better. > I encourage African women to THINK hard for an answer to the last > question. > _______________________ > > We have observed different species and discovered the many > reproductive mechanisms. > For example- > > A female gorilla's bottom turns pink and becomes exposed when she is > ready to mate. In other words, she is telling the male gorrilla "I am > ready. I would like to be penetrated." There is no culture that > teaches a female gorilla how to 'pink' its bottom when in heat. > > Given that example, lets observe ourselves as humans but first focus > on what men do or don't do and yet patriarchy (culture-religion) > does not teach them. > > 1. Statistics > > America-One man wrote in his book that in his 20+ years, as a > counselor, not a single woman, if I remember correctly, he wrote "not > one woman..", ever came back to say that abuse from her husband > decreased after the birth of a child. It either stayed the same or > INCREASED. > > Africa-In different cultures, including my own, it is common > knowledge to hear women saying that abusive husbands usually wait > until their wives give birth, then they start beating her because > they know she can't leave due to economic dependence. > > I doubt if these 'two' men met somewhere in the continent or called > each on their cell phones and said "Look, you are in America, I am in > Africa, but remember to "pump up gas" after the birth of a child. > Ok!?" Are there video games in America that teaches boys from > childhood or as grown men, to increase abuse of the women they > penetrate after the birth of a child? Is there an African culture > that teaches boys to indulge themselves after the birth of a child? > Is it the same trend in Asia, Australia and Europe..etc? > > 2. During my research I asked men why abusers don't conciously hit a > woman's breast as they would the rest of the body. Their response > was "No man would do that because a woman's breast is very important > to him." Important to him? Now think about it! How could a few > African men that I talked to be so sure and so accurate about the > behaviour of other men in private? Look around you! > > Patriarchy offers men the tool (culture and religion) to use to > employ all forms of violence against women, but is there a culture or > religion that teaches boys/men not to hit the breast? > > 3. Men who penetrate women, usually suck the breast > before penetration. During or after penetration, yes. But before > happens almost always. Is there a culture that teaches boys to suck > the breast before penetration? > > QUESTION > > Given the examples above, what do we know that women do and yet they > are not scripted by patriarchy (culture and religion)? I would be > delighted if this could generate debate among us on this list. So > please respond. > > Anyo > > > > > > > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED], Texasmemorial@ wrote: > > > > Ever since I started participating in the Internet write ups and > net > > working, Little did I notice, the mention of Igbos families and > the plight of women > > in our society and lives. It is quite an oversight and omission > not to put > > our women, into the equation and equilibrium in our thinking and > planning. > > Quite often women become the silent partner in our daily lives, > while we the men > > assumed that we will make it without our women and just by > ourselves.That > > notion is wrong and is a BIG MISTAKES. > > > > Women are the happiness of every family > > Women are the strength of families > > Women are the economic back bone in every house holds > > Women art the health of every families, > > Women are the security, glue and bond in our family > > > > Therefore women often needs to be economically and financially > empowered and > > sufficient. > > We need to put serious thinking and listing to our girls in > choosing their > > cares in school, we need to encourage them, to do just any thing > that they > > wanted and interested to do. Such acclamation will eventually guide > them into > > successful women hood and will guide them into building a healthy > family that > > will eventually made them, selves sufficient. > > > > For women of today, all women need a career that will promotes self > esteem > > and self actualization and that will translate into happy and > health family. > > We need (MEN) needs to encourage our wife's into becoming what is > desired and > > what is it, that will establishes a lasting stability for our, > families. > > > > I want all our wife's and daughters to realize that Nwakaibie is on > their > > side, and I will fight for a legislature that will brings equality > among men and > > women. I will legislate a non job discrimination act that will > uplift our > > women, daughters and mothers. I will see to it, that federal > government spends > > a good amount of money on women issue and women health care. > > > > > > > > I Remain Loyal > > > > > > > > OGBUEFI NWAKAIBIE ONWUEGBUSI > > HOUSTON > > watchdog for Justice, Equality and Fairness > > watchdog for grass root movement. > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get to your groups with one click. Know instantly when new email arrives http://us.click.yahoo.com/.7bhrC/MGxNAA/yQLSAA/TTwplB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> ********** Share a Smile!!!************* ++++++++++++++ Opportunity for NIGERIAN BUSINESSes Register your Company or Business for almost free...... ......Get a global presence!! http://www.nigeriaplaza.com/default.html **********Keep Hope Alive!!!************* ****Internet Solution**** http://www.nigeriaplaza.com/default.html Welcome to Nigeriaplaza. Nigeriaplaza is an affiliate of D-Net Communications, Norway. 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