Okello, what is the problem, really?!? I do not understand why the exaggerated predilection for mystification or sensationalisation of a non-sensation. The context is clear and simple : accountability and demand. In my culture, a public executive, representative or actor should not operate under concealed identity. It eases insight, truthfulness, accountability, demand as well as safeguard our society from the claws of perilous hypocritical or fugitive bogus actors. Nothing more complex than so. Is it not så in your country of residence?! I would give you concrete examples of cases relating to the labyrinth in Northern Uganda but, I have already written it on another note DUE SHORTLY. You say: "Profiling individuals" claiming "public mandate"?......What about profiling those not using "pseudo names" to aquire public mandate but to wreck avocs on wananchi as demanded by the philosophies of the oppressors they either look away over or are totally ignorant of? "" Public interest actors have to find themselves under constant scrutiny. THAT IS ACCOUNTABILITY TOO. IN OUR PARTICULAR CASE, WE HAVE THE LRA DELEGATION IN JUBA. It is beneficial for our society to determine their true colours. Some of them claim they are ordinary non-partial individuals while others can be linked to various interest categories. Still, others can directly be linked to the LRA whereas on the surface, they claim they do not. Mot paconoc'la gaumoy--- On Wed 11/22, ocii < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:From: ocii [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 12:30:09 -0500 (EST)Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Uganda: LRA Demands Hold Truce to Ransom "Profiling individuals" claiming "public mandate"? Gaumoy that is just mere talk. I bet when the reality dawn and change takes place, you will just mute yourself up. What about profiling those not using "pseudo names" to aquire public mandate but to wreck avocs on wananchi as demanded by the philosophies of the oppressors they either look away over or are totally ignorant of? Boy, you ain't seen nothing yet! There are more complex issues than your reasoning. OciiOkuto del Coli wrote: I hope your insinuation is right. There was actually a full list of the delegation at the start. Perhaps you would check that out?!?You seem not to be following. Aldo Okidi Rock happens to have been a very close college Buddy to me.For certainty, I will cross check the archives. If it is the same Okidi Rock, then he might have been at Tororo College along with the likes of Ambassador Philip Idro before he joined Comboni College.Still, accountability and demand calls for thorough profiling of individuals claiming public mandate. Citizens have to place demands on individuals claiming to be acting on their behalf. Pseudo names and mystified characters does not. (((Latel lwak pe dok bedo danoma pe cung atir kalok in his own real capacity without fear!!!!))) So long, fair weather.noc'la gaumoy--- On Mon 11/20, ocii < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: ocii [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mon, 20 Nov 2006 13:24:13 -0500 (EST)Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Uganda: LRA Demands Hold Truce to RansomWhat is the matter with you guys? Failing to follow events or what?Okidi's name is JONGOMOI Okidi-Olal, not "Jaramogi"!The only fellow whose name is Jaramogi is the journalist. Not this Okidi!That his name was written "Jaramoi" was obviously a mistake by the writer of the article.Try to follow events correctly. And by the way, I thought Jongomoi Okidi Olal is USA based?If he was in Nairobi then since when has he relocated to US?OciiOkuto del Coli wrote: Jal Gunya, wii owil manok. You forget that most of the name changes transpired when the Juba banquette was already on. I notice the Kenya based Okidi first appeared as Aldo Rock Okiddi. Now suddenly Jaramogi. Perhaps the Otunno relates to Olara Otunu.If that be the case, then it explains why Olara Otuno has been torn to the point where he could never deliver despite his position in the UN. He always found himself in a conflict between the UN official position and sympathy with the LRA (blood density)The point is, THEY ALL A BUNCH OF COWARDS who do not dare appear with their real identities. Fuck shit!!! The way I see it, any one is free to claim representation of the people and bla, bla bla. BUT, WHEN THEY DO SO, THEY MUST DO IT OPENLY WITH REAL IDENTITIES. Transparency, they always holler but, where!!!--- On Fri 11/17, Peter-Rhaina Gwokto < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Peter-Rhaina Gwokto [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Fri, 17 Nov 2006 07:40:15 -0800 (PST)Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Uganda: LRA Demands Hold Truce to Ransom In my opinion:It's a stand up comedy in Juba. Acholi folks are as confused as unable to distinguish whether the bullet that just wizzed over their heads came from the LRA or NRA kalashnikov. They don't know who wants what in the Juba talks: Kony and Otii are concerned about saving their aging rears more than rectifying the Acoli situations they fucked-up; the Juba delegate is just a bunch of self-seeking nonentities who just realized age was creeping so fast they haven't achieved a thing in life but envision jumping in the Juba bandwagon would do; today I read an Ojwang-Otunnu split in the LRA. Hell no...!, is Otunnu also a registered LRA? I do hope though, that the world doesn't bundle every dead, living and unborn Acoli as an LRA. I see that anyone missing on the pizza slizes in Juba wants a yet-so-bigger pie and is reason for such splits. Well, most pizza makers build shawarma, too. And, by the way, couldn't a level-headed self-seeker - I mean intelligent and intellectually advantaged - think of creating and promoting a rebel movement dissociated from the blood-stained, rape-soiled, lip-slashing, flesh-cooking LRA? For all its nasty reputation, couldn't these perenial losers think of a better way to access power - if at all - although I believe the motive is Benjamin, money that is?Absurd, I must say. I am starting a movement not to topple eMu7 but one that aims at assassinating - this is cawardly - or should I simply say, killing, each an every asshole who wants to use Acoli for personal ends. I mean, I will look into their eyes then shoot each of them in the face. This is not to enhance eMu7's greedy stances but to put a stop on welfare survivors in the UK and the Scandinavians who use their wake-up to bed time to ponder nothing constructive other than how to better use Acoli blood for money and power or how to join the Juba team.Ehi, I even don't know who is representing the LRA now. Machar should be laughing his black ass off seeing Mao leading his team, au contraire Santa Okot with another, spiced with a not-so-couth uni-idea Mama Kilele called Apira yet at the end of the day, all will have called Kony and Museveni with their end of day report, or rather, story to apeas these partners in crime. Ma arse...!, From Canada, I can see the confusion in Juba and smell the wicked stench of individual greed on the participants - doesn't smell like Acoli. Then the new entrant of losers begin to list: Powel Onen p'Ojwang, Okidi-Olal Jaramoi, Samson Nyekogulu - daiymmnnnn...! Who are these stooges? I would be glad to dig a knife between their ribs myself if the story on http://www.newvision.co.ug/D/8/13/532718 is trueEhi, let me ask just one more question: Is Otunnu really, truely an LRA sympathiser? Yikesss...! reminds me Prof. Isaac Newton Ojok throwing exploding stones and oiling away bullets with Lakwena - a waste of Moo-Yaa as bullet-proof.On a serious note, Acoli thugging it out for Kony's freedom is simply a waste of precious time and resources. I have probbed the ICC deep enuff to conclude they are going to do him in - whatever the stories you read or hear - and eMu7 knows this too well. Anyway, I don't give a prick about Kony. Dude is a murderer who deserves a prison stay in an African jail - God forbid they send him to the comfort of a Euro-jail.. that will be heaven on earth for these machette-wielding "Jack Rippers Of The North" - a war well-fought to earn the luxury of a Euro-jail. I have one suggestion though: Sudan and Uganda should simply contain the LRA in their present hide-out and wait to see them ring-leaders die away like the setting sun. That hurts.Share this with me: substract away 20 straight years of the used portion of your life-span, add to it fear and uncertainty - a celestial blackhole - for the coming years. That is life in Garamba. In good faith, Kony should be made to live it through. Many times have I read about Mato Oput. Did you know that the Labwor and Jie of Karamoja do the same. In fact the Labwor call it Matho Oputh - being that the lingo has no "t" but a compounded "th" in its alphabet. Or yes, one more thing. I may be young but my present Acoli elders are simply wrong. Mato Oput is not justice. I have often seen it referred to as Acoli justice. Mato Oput is reconciliation/forgiveness/a never-again. That beeing said, Kony, Otii and them rest of murderers, must still be dealt justice. Acoli justice is compensation in the the form of cows/goats and crops; done before the Mato Oput reconciliation. My God...! even if eMu7 donated all Rwakitura long-horns to help his brother, Kony, the cows will not be enough for the thousands maimed, raped, and killed.One last thing: Is it a case of blood being thicker than wine? - ooosh, thanks for not comparing it to my Coors Lite. Is there any reason for an Acoli to advocate Kony's amnesty, or are the Acoli equating Acoli Peace to Kony forgiveness. That is sad/pathetic. There is some amount of peace in the north now, which has nothing to do with Kony's forgiveness or ICC indictment but because the LRA has been isolated and pushed away from its prey, the Acoli, Langi, Madi and Southern Sudanese. In fact, humans do not inhabit his present domicile but him and his befitting kins, the park animals. Now, don't tell me that if the urge to maim, cut or slice an ear, lips, limps or rape comes, the LRA can get satisfaction meting upon the poor lions and hyenas. That will be a tough fight, though. So, I say, fence the LRA in and witness them simply rot away.Seriously, is Otunnu an LRA camp leader or just Kabushenga's spin?Did you read everything I just wrote? I pitty you. It was a dream entitled "If I Did It"___________________________GunyaRemember: "Even a small dog can piss on a tall building" Jim Hightowerwww.ottawaocg.org/gpr-mantis ----- Original Message ----From: Okuto del Coli To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [email protected]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Friday, November 17, 2006 4:17:44 AMSubject: RE: [Ugnet] Uganda: LRA Demands Hold Truce to Ransom Well Simon, "Federo" or not Federo is a match for the national political arena. First thing first. First peace in the whole of Uganda. Then, together and with equal voice along democratic path we decide on the fate of "FEDERO". Like I once said, we do not want no ready made democracy or Federo type democracy fed to us. We want equal participation. You tickle my back; I tickle yours, so to say.I am more into Justice for the innocent Ugandan. Kony is not in the position to place those demands.Best regardsnoc'l--- On Wed 11/15, Simon Nume < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Simon Nume [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Wed, 15 Nov 2006 13:02:45 -0800 (PST)Subject: RE: [Ugnet] Uganda: LRA Demands Hold Truce to RansomOkutoDo you want 'Kony' to just accept ONLY what M7 is offering, for the sake of peace ?Without some sort of self governance another 'rebel' could start in the same area again, plunging the area into more mayhem.Maybe federo, with Acholi RDC's and LC's in charge, would ensure that no shadowy figure starts a war which will take the victorious and strong M7 another 20 years to NEGOTIATE away while based in a foreign country.M7's arguments about this war are shallow, hollow and repetitive and some new proposals are in order here.Nume.Okuto del Coli wrote: Seems to me like a typical case of derailment. THE INITIAL MOTIVE FOR THE LRA's ARMED RESISTANCE as we have often known, was not FEDERALISM.In any case, the method of fighting they have employed thus far does not suggest any thing in that direction, They have never taken control of any bit of Uganda. Which they would have been expected to, if FEDERALISM was part of their motive.Some interest else is hi jacking and the innocent Ugandan perseverance persists!!noc'la gaumoy--- On Tue 11/14, Matek Opoko < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Matek Opoko [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:51:33 -0800 (PST)Subject: [Ugnet] Uganda: LRA Demands Hold Truce to Ransom Reacting to THE EAST AFRICAN ARTICLE BELOW , MANY POLITICAL OBSERVERS WOULD SAY That LRA demands , which includes the call for federalism in Uganda , are genuine and must be addressed if any agreement will be reached in the so called Juba peace talks. Refusing to address those demands in Ernest is indeed a recipe for more wars and more Human Suffering. Matek Uganda: LRA Demands Hold Truce to Ransom Email This Page Print This Page The East African (Nairobi) November 14, 2006Posted to the web November 14, 2006 BARBARA AMONGNairobi Lopsided demands and dis-agreement over the terms of a revised truce accord between the Ugandan government and the rebel Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) have held up peace talks between the two sides in the southern Sudanese city of Juba, officials said last week. Talks aimed at ending the two-decade-old war in northern Uganda between the government and Lords Resistance Army rebels have now dragged on for three months with no achievement on any of the five agreed-upon agenda items. Rapidly unfolding events, especially the reported killing of more than 40 civilians by LRA rebels, the ambush of an SPLA truck by the Uganda army, continuous ferrying of food to the rebels by the Government of Southern Sudan, suggest that an outbreak of renewed hostilities is imminent. The two sides renewed the truce two weeks ago, giving the rebels a month to assemble, but the LRA rebels are yet to show up in the two assembly areas of Owiny-Kibul and Ri-kwangba in Southern Sudan. Further hurting the talks is the constant stream of new demands raised by the rebel political wing (LRM) in the talks. The team last week presented a new set of refined demands, including special protection for its fighters and the establishment of a fully-fledged ministry in which the rebels would have a stake, a proposal the government has flatly rejected. The Uganda government has said it is fast growing impatient with the talks and has within a period of three weeks, written twice to the mediator and Government of Southern Sudan (GoSS) expressing its disappointment at the pace of the talks. GoSS is hosting the stop-start peace talks between the Uganda government and the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) rebels who have long been accused of committing atrocities against villagers across the two border regions. Unlike past talks, where the perceived reluctance of both the government and the LRA rebels to engage with one another in political dialogue emerged consistently, this time round, the peace talks started in high gear and the two sides had shown increased commitment. However, the often-articulated government view that the LRA lack a comprehensive political objective and is therefore a "common criminal" seems to be coming back on the table. The repeated argument by the government that the rebels are using the talks to reorganise is quickly resurfacing. The army has on five occasions in the past month engaged rebels trying to cross the Nile into Garamba in Congo. While the rebel political wing constantly raise new demands, leaving old ones unresolved, LRA leader Joseph Kony and his top lieutenants have consistently focused on the withdrawal of the International Criminal Court (ICC) indictment. The 26-page document, spelling out fresh LRA demands, surfaced after the LRM was joined by a fresh team from the US and UK. Okidi Jaramogi, now based in Southern Sudan, and Onen Ostraco, based in Nairobi, have brought a new twist to the talks by introducing it. The rebel political wing is known for squandering past international peace talks, most notably the 1997 Rome peace talks, initiated by the Sant'Egidio group. The LRA delegation presented the 26-page document to the chief mediator, Dr Riek Machar, on Monday night at the Juba Raha Hotel, containing demands 80 percent of which Kampala has rejected. The parties have since August been debating comprehensive solutions to the conflict, a path that could lead to the signing of a comprehensive peace agreement. The document demands that the parties adopt special security measures including a designated assembly area in Northern Uganda, to be elaborated in subsequent agreements. The LRA also wants Masindi district in western Uganda included in districts affected by the war, which should then be declared "disaster areas." The LRA also demands that a referendum be held in 12 months after signing the agreement, a move the rebels say will show that there is genuine demand for a federal form of government as the only way for guaranteeing the political stability of the country. The Uganda government has rejected the above demands, maintaining that it is only offering a "soft landing" for the rebels. The government also argues that the new demands were not raised by the rebels when presenting earlier papers for discussion on the five agreed upon agenda items nor were they presented during the reviewing of the Cessation of Hostilities agreement. Relevant Links East Africa Peacekeeping and Conflict Resolution Uganda Conflict, Peace and Security The visit by Uganda's President, Yoweri Museveni, to Juba last month has not boosted the talks as was earlier expected. The Juba talks, the latest in many attempts to end the LRA insurgency, have been plagued from the start by profound mistrust on both sides, which spiked earlier last month with the military and rebels both accusing the other of initiating hostilities. Because of this mistrust, the LRA moved out of the two assembly points and are now heading towards Garamba forest in DR Congo. 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