I am not in the mood to to join you guys, but, HAVING LOST TWO GENERAL ELECTIONS (two mandates running almost a decade), why does not your Bwesigye man step down for winged freshers? Are there no others capable enough? Goddy, for example?! O.K., stepping down (rd. accepting reality/ inability) is the pest an African politician will never associate with no matter what!!--- On Mon 07/16, Edward Mulindwa < [EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: From: Edward Mulindwa [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 00:31:44 -0400Subject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in Tanzania
Ocii I would like to state that this is going to be my last discussion with you on your so called strategy. You think by calling us idiots, you are therefore not an idiot or a moron? What any body who cares to analyze from the verbiage you penned below is a typical example of an opportunist, who full of vain glory believes those he claims he wants to use do not see where he is trying to take them. That you have such pedestal view about politics is even mind boggling. You really believe that Besigye will allow an opportunist like you to write his political agenda for him? What information does your associating with Besigye been released to you that you did not already know? Have you ever had of that term in sociology called participatory observation? It used to be one of the ways used to extract vital information from people who are suspects but the investigators could not put a finger to where their involvement fits in. An Investigator would then go and live with this suspect and in case they are of different gender even get married to in need be.This was to build trust and have the suspect opening up all the secrets they have. Little, then did people know that the Stockholm Syndrome eventually sets in and the investigator becomes part and parcel of the suspects' life. That is a cause lost. When Museveni and Besigyes' came in, do you remember the number of DP national executives who were in the cabinet? What was their remit? They claimed they were there to balance and help make Museveni's government a more acceptable government. In 1995/1996 when Paul Kawanga Ssemwogerere left the Mut Junta, except those executive members who had either passed on or been dropped in previous reshuffles, how many of his then executive did he leave with? As a self confessed non idiot/moron and a strategizer, surmise that yourself. One philosopher once said" Wise People learn from the Experience of Others, BUT FOOLS, never learn Even from their Own Experience". If you are what you claim and confess you are, I think this will help you.I end by quoting another of those anecdotes attributed to the former US defense Secretary Donald Rumsfedt" To Every Problem,There is Usually a Very Simple and Straight Forward Solution, which Turns out to be The Wrongs Solution to that Problem". With that,Ocii, I rest my case as I leave you with your "Strategies". This discussion is comprehensively closed. EmToronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" ----- Original Message ----- From: ocii To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2007 1:01 PMSubject: Re: [Ugnet] MPs probe Museveni schools in TanzaniaMulindwa, If you can not realise the ridiculouness of your arguments then there is no reason to wonder why the NRA/M system is still in power upto today. People like you, who know nothing of strategic importance are doing the country evil, to maintain the NRA/M system in power by all means, fighting nothing yet pontificate they are seriously engaged in a struggle to oust the NRA/M government from power! Dr. Besigye has rebelled agianst the system he once supported. He is not the only person who, having been in a system many proclaimed is wrong, rebelled against it; a system he once faught for, putting his life on the line to defend come hell or high water! There are many politicans like that, including even in Canada where you supposedly live! The only difference is that within the canadian political system, not many wrongs are done like they are in Africa generally, and Uganda in particular. As a result, what do parties do when a member crossed the floor and joined a different party in canada? The party that the politican who crossed the floor to join, would simply welcome the member, work with him to bring the other party to its knee! This is called strategic politics! Does this mean the party would not have some bones to chew with the new member? Obviously not! But what is of serious importance is to secure their overwhelming victory first, to be able to promulgate the kind of law or constitution that would make preponderance, their vision. Strategy, strategy, strategy, punks!!! God, you guys are soooo dense!! What you are railing about Mulindwa, is pure nonsense and a demonstration of stupidity at its hight! The Besigyes joined the NRA/M way back several years ago, when they were still University students. To expect them then to listen to other parties' messages cautioning Ugandans on UPM, transformed to NRA/M, when you know darn well that the political foundation of the movement system rests on "hate" toward Northerners and Easterners, a polarizing politics designed to gunner support in the South and west, is simply moronic!! Hold especially an older person like Eriya Kategaya for not listening to cautions not to support the NRA/M, and I would say well, you have a point. But even then, such grieve would not make sense. Why? Because Eriya Kategaya grew up together with Museveni; they therefore knew what they were upto when they launched the guerilla movement! Mu7 galvanized Westerners and Southerners by wipping the anti-Northern and anti-Eastern Ugandans political messages! Many Ugandans from these regions (West and South) fell for it; if old adults could fall for Mu7's messages then, what about Makerere students who hail from those areas? In the process of the "liberation" from Northerners and Easterners, some of these Mu7's followers went ahead and committed very serious crimes in the North and East of the country to the point, they cannot see themselves surviving under any system different from the NRA/M. Why do you think Besigye was not elected in his own constituency? Is it because Besigye's people think he is evil, one who masterminded the establishement of the NRA/M, you would like us to believe? If so, why is it not that the same people in that region of the country voted overwhelmingly for a different party, say like UPC or DP, other than the NRA/M if they do not think highly of the FDC? Mulindwa, if you are still failing to think correctly, let me think for you. The reason westerners still vote overwhelmingly for NRA/M and not FDC, is because: 1). They are looking at Uganda politics from the movement political looking glass: North/East vs. South/West! As a result they could not vote for the Besigyes for, in their political camera, the Besigyes are traitors! Period. You on the other hand, who should have been quick on your feet, to welcome the Besigyes to craft solutions for speedy downfall of the NRA/M, now that there are rebels in their rank, is busy demonstrating political buffoonery, attacking Besigye for he did not listen to UPC cautions to Ugandans not to support the NRA/M way back in the early 80s ----20 solid years later!! Make sense to you?? The Besigyes supporting NRA/M is a done deal Mulindwa; like a spilled milk. It is a done deal!! You cannot keep wailing over it day in day out. For how long are you going to keep wailing over this, knowing fully some of these people joined the NRA/M in their University days? For another 20 more years while the UPC on the other hand is engaged in much ado about nothing, save releaseing useless Press Releases weekly? You fools cannot be serious Mulindwa! Never ever rant over a spilled milk incessantly if you ever must move forward! Strategize, and this is the message I have been passing to readers, but you and your sidekick, Matek are stuck in a rut, hankering for UPC's tranquil government again!! Guest what, my friends, things have changed!! Dr. Obote is dead now; he ain't coming back. It is upto you so called UPC members to craft the way forward for the party!! The way I see it though, with your errand political activism that literally has brought the party to its knee, you people are going nowhere. Bitter I know, but hard realities are needed to wake some zombies up! Take it or leave; hate the message all you want, I don't give a rat's arse! A spilled milk is exactly what it is, a spilled milk! It can never be anything else. 2). They have great fear of the unknowns. Given what has been done in the North and East of Uganda, westerners especially are profoundly afraid; very very afraid. Why? Because the political looking glass Mu7 duped them into has cause untold sufferings of fellow wananchi in the North and East of the country. Yet some of those who cimmitted these gruesome crimes in these regions are not even Ugandans; they are Rwandese, the like of Paul Kagame, now president of Rwanda, dead Fred Rwegyema, plus many more who are today officers in Rwanda army. To get more information on these criminals hiding in Rwanda Ugandans need people like Mande and Kyakabale. But you idiots are busy attacking these people. You are literally attacking everybody. If you people are not politicians, for fuck sakes let those who are, do the job. The strength of politics rest more on strategies than on political vainglory, and even less on buffoonery!! One can get all the info you are trying to dig from the Besigyes not obviously by attacking them, but through political cooperation for a common cause. It is pure illusion to even think that you can attack the Besigyes today, and they will release all the information you are looking for tomorrow. Politics does not work that way; it just does not!! It is only when the movement government is ousted from power, and a new political dispensation is put in place, including an established body of inquiry, that you call for yet in utter ignorance, that sensitive information can be collected. The Mandes, the Besigyes, and the Kyakabales then become even very very important!! But here we have Mulindwa and Matek practicing a politics late Dr. Obote even never practiced!! Attacking everything that walks and know the word politics so long as the walking thing is not UPC! If dogs could buck the word politics and could chose not to be UPC, I am sure these idiots would even attack the dog!! Yet Matek try to score cheap point by referring to the debate as market political brawl!! Jesus! It is you people in a market politics trust me.^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ "Matek, who is that rebelling aginst the NRA/M and today? Mulindwa, it is afende Kurakunta. You know we told the dude not to join the NRA/M, he did not listen!! Now he is running away!! How some of us are very slow. Geez! Correct Ed. But they are not going to get away!! They must tell us who killded who first before anything else! Matek trust me, that must be the prerequisite. Have you got any new information from him yet? What has he told you so far about the inner workings of the NRA/M? Nothing yet! Ed what these NRA goons know is motto, so to say. Karakunta has nowhere else to go but back to the NRA/M, trust me. Ed these people have seen nothing yet! Motto atawakaka on their *&^%*! Have you got the Press Release for this week from Mama Miria? Matek no; not yet. I am calling her office now to find out if its ready. .........! Aluta continua! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ You can't be serious. Have a good day folks. OciiEdward Mulindwa wrote: Ocii Let us forget the people murdered in Uganda that is not important and that is not going to be told by Besigye. Agreed. Let us talk bout corruption that Besigye has stated publicly, can you kindly state any detail that you have got from Besigye about the corruption in Uganda apart from generalities? What new information have you got from Besigye now that he is out of the Movement than you using your antidotal evidence that we all must keep quite for you know that he knows but he can not tell. Secondly there is a second very fundamental statement that Ugandans always make and they make it during an election. When we had an election that brought in Obote two, Yoweri Museveni went home and stood under an umbrella of UPM, the Ugandans that new Museveni than any of us refused to elect the man. The rest of the population of Uganda including Dr. Kiiza Besigye, failed to take that message and supported Museveni in the Luwero war, and this is the Museveni we got up to today. Had Ugandans including Dr. Kiiza Besigye listened to the voices of the Ugandans that knew Museveni, we would have not lost our country as we have lost it today.It is very bizarre that Besigye has never stood on any ticket in any Uganda constituency to be elected, but we can wonder as well why the people of the entire Western Uganda that know this doctor better than you a Luo from Eastern Uganda, refused to elect their son's political party even in a single constituency. FDC has never won even a single constituency in Western Uganda and I do not see them winning one come 2011 either. As we failed to follow the knowledge of Museveni's constituency one can marvel why we are failing to follow the knowledge of Dr Kiiza Besigye's constituency. And I can wonder what you are privy to about this man that his entire birth constituency failed to be privy to. EmToronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail _______________________________________________Ugandanet mailing [EMAIL PROTECTED]://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). 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