What is Oryema talking about brining traditional leaders to build modern Uganda? It seems Oryema does not know that these traditional leaders don't have a role whatsoever in building a modern Uganda. Traditional leaders' time is all gone with the death of colonialism! What is needed is a savvy population, which by and large can only be brought about by the government. Dr. Obote was doing exactly that in his first administration, and he had lots to show Ugandans to prove it. What has so called traditional leaders done to wananchi since independent or even pre-independent? Nothing! Absolutely nothing! Savvy population is all we need and that must come by all means. The traditional leaders need to butt out, just like religion, of politics and economic transformation. Why did Mu7 not installed Omukama in Ankole? Because Mu7 knows exactly the uselessness of the institution! Ocii P.S: And Matek what are you talking about expounding this: "If the people decide that it is federalism which must be pursued in Uganda as a means to govern the mass ..then so be it..in which case the people must also decide as to which tribes would like to federate ? will the bugishu like to federate with Iteso,.. or the Iteso with Jopadola..Acholi with Langi, Luguwara with madi ..or Lugwara with Alur.kupsebeyi with Bugishu...etc"? Do you know what a "federal system" is? Or are you trying to say something that is refusing to come out clean?
Matek Opoko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Chief: Regarding this issue of federalism, my suggestion is that first Museveni and his NRM military dictatorship MUST leave the political scene in Uganda... That done, then the issue will be put before the people of Uganda..in some sort of a referendum... If the people decide that it is federalism which must be pursued in Uganda as a means to govern the mass ..then so be it..in which case the people must also decide as to which tribes would like to federate ? will the bugishu like to federate with Iteso,.. or the Iteso with Jopadola..Acholi with Langi, Luguwara with madi ..or Lugwara with Alur.kupsebeyi with Bugishu...etc The issue is bigger then you think my friend...let us trend this path very very carefully. May be federalism is the answer to Ugandans problems..may be it is not..but we must try anything and everything which will bring about peace to that sorry country!! Matek oryema johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Mwami Mulindwa: You say it is very expensive to implement Federalism in Uganda than to run the current Central Government. I do not know exactly what you mean by that. And I do not know what is more expensive than life. Let us calculate how many lives have been lost in the course of trying to keep that or get that one job: Presidency of Uganda from 1962 till today. It is claimed that Amin killed more than 300,000 people in the course of keeping his job. It is also claimed that in the course of Obote II trying to keep his job and Museveni trying to get it, more than 300,000 were killed. It is claimed that in the course of Kony trying to get Museveni's job and Museveni fighting hard to keep it, more than 100,000 have been killed. Mentally, Dr. Kizza in the course of of trying to get Museveni's job and Museveni fighting to keep it even after 20 years, thousands perhaps millions are not having adequate hours of sleep. They stay wide awake thinking and wondering, is mzee giving that job up tomorrow or not yet. In death toll, roughly 700,000 have been killed. Now put that into monetary terms assuming each person killed would have earned an average of 8 dollars an hours, 8 hours a day five days a week and 20 days a month and they worked approximately for 30 years before retiring multiply that by 700,000! Finally, those of us who are talking in favour of federalism are not going to use the expensive and crude method of instituting a government or political system: GUNS. We will work with the people through dialogue. Plus, the mechanism to implement federalism already exists in every part of Uganda. Working through the traditional administrations: Kabaka, Kyabazinga, Mukama, and the Rwoths, should make things a lot faster and easier. These traditional leaders need to be brought into the forefront of building a modern Uganda. The struggle for indepedence sort of left them behind. Had they not had the loyality of their people, they would have long been gone. OJ --- oryema johnson wrote: > > > > Simon and Charles, > > There are enough people like you and myself who are > politically and economically convinced that a > federal > system of government will work perfectly well > particularly in regions which have been marginalized > since indepedence. I cannot see the Acholi > sub-region > for example being brought back on its feet under the > same political arrangement. If and when peace is > signed there will be enough international support > financially to re-organize and rebuild the region. > That money cannot be aloud to go through Kampala a > system whose finance minister cannot explain where > and > how millions of Shillings have been used. > > We do not want that money being spent by a Vice > President to treat his sore toe in a London > Hospital. > That money must be spent regionally in Acholi to put > back in school those young men and women who have > not > seen an inside of a classroom in 20 years! > > We are talking about democracy, and in democracy the > majority voice counts. Federal agitators in Uganda > have the majority. A whole group federo.com is > dedicated to discussing this very issue. We shall > add > additional voice during the International Conference > Uganda 08. > > Mwami Mulindwa, we need more convincing reasons why > federalism will not work and why you think it will > destroy Buganda when you are enjoying the same > system > in Ontario. You and I sound like the 6 blind men who > touched different part of an elephant and gave > different description of it. > > In Uganda we are searching for peace and we need a > mechanism which will hold it together and federalism > will do just that. And by the way, federalism will > in > fact help the political parties more than anything > else. UPC for example if we went federal, can count > on > North and Eastern Ugada in terms of votes. > Republicans > in the US count very heavy on Texas...the Red > State...While the Democrats count heavily on > predominately black States. Even though popular > support does not count that much in the States if a > candiate looses Florida because of the electoral > college. > > Most State governors in the State of Texas are > likely > to be Republicans. And the State is wealthy enough > just like California it can almost do without the > rest > of the country, but because an understanding exists > between the states, resources are shared in order > not > to starve those who do not have enough. > > I believe those who are against federalism in > Uganda > have not taken enough trouble to understand Uganda > itself and the people. We are already practicing > federalism even at the individual level. I challenge > diasporans on this forum who are building houses > back > home, to tell me if you are a Mukiga you are > building > a house in Nebbi and not Kabale where you probably > come from. It would be a total shock to be if a > Musoga who lives in Boston tells me that he is > building a house in Apach. If he is building one, it > msut be Kamuli. > > If a Madi who lives in Olando is building a house in > a > different part of Uganda other than Moyo he is > probably doing so in Bugolobi and you all know where > Bugolobi is. And on that, people who say Baganda are > selfish are simply crazy. That region has > accomodated > every Dick and Harry of Uganda. So blame the > politicians who do not see this part of Buganda than > blaming the Baganda themselves. Buganda seems to be > our second home for those of us who originated from > other parts of Uganda, because if we are not > developing our own villages or region, we are > developing Buganda. > > OJ > > > > --- Charles Kibuka wrote: > > > > > > > We're a a new generation, very different from our > > fore fathers. If federalism becomes a reality in > > Uganda, and not only in Buganda, we shall not > allow > > to be dictated at. With the new world order, where > > information technology is at its best, you should > > expect the subjects of kings to overthrow them > with > > in minutes if they display dictatorial tendencies. > > The people them selves will have more powers than > > the cosmetic one they have now and will keep Mengo > > in check in terms of controlling corruption, > > developing the infrastructure, attracting > > investments, tourism, protecting the environment, > > and so fourth. This can only happen if members of > > society in all regions develop a passion for their > > regions and strive to improve things there. What > you > > have now, is a Munyankole president only > developing > > Ankole and ignoring other regions, and only sends > > their a grader to work the roads in election > times. > > > > The people have to wait another five years for > that > > same grader to come back and work that same dusty > > marum roads because the big man is expected in the > > area. What I'm saying is that, we shall remove all > > these bottlenecks supported by tribalism, and give > > the natives them selves the opportunity to be > major > > players in decision making in their areas of > origin. > > Whether you want to believe it or not, the truth > is > > that their is way to much tribalism in Uganda and > it > > is curtailing cohesion and development. You go to > > state house and you will get a clear picture of > what > > I'm talking about. The place looks like a > Banyankole > > kweterana omuramba club. Some would call it a > Bahima > > kweterana mafia club, because that is where checks > > change hands in dollars, and dubious decisions > made > > on behalf of the nation. But you see, at least if > > these kweterana people push you out of state > house, > > then you can go back to your district in Kapchorwa > > and help develop it under the federal system. > > > > JN > > > > > > > > Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2007 21:40:25 -0700From: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: FederalismTo: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Even federalism can fail in Uganda. We had > > quasi-federalism in Uganda in 1962 and it failed. > It > > resulted into a series of events that culminated > > into the 1966 crisis. Ugandans have suffered under > > all systems federo inclusive. > > > > A few years ago people were crying for > multipartism > > thinking it was the answer to all problems.Now we > > have it but there is more suffering. Even > federalism > > is being agitated for by people with selfish > > interests at Mengo. In fact having a government at > > Mengo is a disaster because it will be a real > > dictatorship. According to Monarchical culture if > > you feel opposed to what the King says you are > > advised to fill your mouth with water, without > > swallowing, and keep queit. > > > > Those who have a lot of hope in Federalism should > > think twice. Unless one is well placed in the > Mengo > > oligarchy. > > > > The 1995 Constitution was a good document. If Mu7 > > had not urinated on it with his greed for power, > it > > would put us somewhere. > > > > As long as constitutions in Uganda do not out live > === message truncated === ____________________________________________________________________________________ Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story. Play Sims Stories at Yahoo! Games. http://sims.yahoo.com/ --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Ugandans at Heart" group. 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