From: tom jabwe
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 2:37 AM
Subject: Mutebi a bastard
Recently I quarreled with someone who reffered to Mutebi as a bastard.But after
his explanation i cooled down.
It seems some many people, even those who claim to be special Baganda are not
aware that the mother of mutebi was not the official wife of king Mutesa. She
was the sister of the official wife and so since he is a child out of a wedlock
in english language he is reffered to as a bastard.
His mother was studying in Italy at the time Mutesa was exiled in UK in
1950's.At that time Ochieng was also studying in Italy.She used to visit Mutesa
in Uk while meeting Ochieng in Italy. It is likely that Ochieng scored first in
Italy before her going to UK for extra shooting.
Facts are at times bitter but such is life.
musaja alumbwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well, at this point, I do not have anything constructive to add this
discussion.
Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
musajja alumbwa
The discussion is not about a problem with having a Muganda girl friend but
the fascination between Baganda and Acholis. And it is very wrong for you to
use a term problem as it was a problem for Abbey Ssemuwemba using a term dis
respect. May be you people are simply too up tight for this discussion !!
Just wondering.
EM
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----- Original Message -----
From: musaja alumbwa
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, August 13, 2007 7:38 PM
Subject: RE: king mutebi an acholi(OJ)- Are The Acholimen the best lovers
for the Buganda royal womenfolk?
I have seen ladies from East Africa (Uganda) date and marry West
African (among others) So what is the big deal about Some Mucholi having a
Muganda girl friend?
MAJ
Jeniffer Biri <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Several times, the Acholi culture is praised to have had a supreme
influence on the Buganda culture,( on this forum) through the synonymous names
shared by the two cultures. This could mean that the royal house in Buganda had
some reasonable intimacy with the Acholi people ,socially and yet precisely,
sexually. Now Ronald Mutebi who does not look like the Hima/Tutsi- looking
father, Sir Edward Mutesa is believed to have been fathered by an Acholi, Daudi
Ocheng.Also, Mutebi's wife is said to have had her first child with an Acholi
boyfriend. Are the Acholi sexual conspirators to the royal house of Buganda or
they are just good lovers?
Can anyone out there ask themselves the possible combinational
probabilities of the genes so much that one may resemble a great ,great, grand
father or mother exactly when the father or mother looks different?
Are the Acholi's of all the people in Uganda ,trying to claim the royal
house of Buganda through rumors and the fact that the gene pool actions may be
ubiquitous? Or we should simply take it that the Acholi men are great lovers.
I wonder.
King R M. Mutebi may in fact not necessarily be a Mucholi but a real
Muganda. Or Mukiga /Munyankole as these people used to work in Buganda a lot.
JMB
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>
>
>
> Ahmed,
>
> I think what the royals and Baganda fear the most is
> that the possibility exists "Nabageraka yatambulako".
> Might have had some kind of a secret mid-night
> encounter with Hon. Daudi Ochieng who seems in his own
> rights to have been a flamboyant fella.
>
> Had Sir Edward Mutesa himself been an Acholi, none of
> this would have occured. Histoically, as you state
> there is a lot of connection between the Acholis and
> the Banyoro, Baganda and Busoga Kingdoms. Kingdoms,
> the world over have that sort of comamaradship. They
> exchange gifts and in the past those gifts included
> women and slaves.
>
> Baganda have to come to terms that the world is moving
> forward and changing and that some of those strongly
> held cultural views are cracking and they should be
> ready for them. It used to be taboo for an African to
> hold hands with his love bug and kiss in public, now
> they do so. Marrying a virgin was the norm. Now both
> boys and girls are malayarising early if sexually
> transmitted diseases did not shift the gear a little
> bit. Now finding a virgin male or female is like
> looking for a needle in a heysstack.
>
> Moslems never married a non-moslem. Now they do,
> except for the extremists. Due to circumstances,
> Mutebi himself did not grow up and mature in the
> typical royal life-style..he hanged around pubs in
> London and did the ordinary low-paying job like any
> ordinary asylum seeker in the UK. That does not take
> away any respect for him in anyway.
>
> How many important people today did the odinary work,
> but later became such incredible figures in world
> history. One only needs to read biographies of famous
> people to get it.
>
>
> OJ
> --- Ahmed Kateregga Musaazi
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Histroy has it that the ruling dynastities of
> > Buganda, Bunyoro, Tooro, Busoga and Kiziba are of
> > Luo-Babiito irigins. So to call Mutebi an Acholi, or
> > Iguru, or Oyo does not make news. Even Princess
> > Irene Ndigare belongs to the same group.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: musaja alumbwa
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2007 2:46 PM
> > Subject: Re: king mutebi an acholi(OJ)
> >
> >
> > OJ,
> > That "Kabaka Mutebi is an Acholi" was started by
> > Princess Ndagire plus some others members of the
> > Buganda royals who had been bribed to cause
> > confusion by "you know who." The majority of us
> > (Baganda) decide not to entertain that nonsense. It
> > is usually nonBaganda (this includes) masqueraders
> > who go on yapping about this.
> > MAJ
> >
> >
> > oryema johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > Abbey,
> >
> > When you see or hear things like questioning of
> > the
> > biological father of King Mutebi a kingdom that
> > has
> > lasted for centuries, then you must realize that
> > something seriously has gone wrong with society.
> > You
> > must also wonder why it is coming out at this
> > time.
> > This is something you the Baganda must think
> > over very
> > seriously and come up with a solution.
> >
> > The centrality of Buganda geographically and its
> > political relationship with the rest of Uganda,
> > the
> > way this has been handled way back to colonial
> > time
> > has caused and continue to cause a lot of
> > headache.
> >
> > In the end, short of federalism, one or two
> > things
> > will have to happen. I was initially opposed to
> > the
> > transfer of Uganda's capital somewhere else, but
> > now I
> > see the sense. If Kampala is not transferred,
> > perhaps
> > the Kabaka's seat should be transferred to
> > Bamunanika.
> > What do you think Abbey?
> >
> > OJ
> >
> > --- abbey semuwemba
> > wrote:
> >
> > > OJ
> > > I just did not want to mention Mao's tribe
> > b'se i'm
> > > not sure of it.So you can help me out here.I
> > don't
> > > normally follow people's tribes in most
> > cases.I look
> > > at Ugandans on a regional basis.So you are
> > probably
> > > right that i made a mistake.As for fellow
> > Baganda
> > > calling Kabaka Mutebi an Acholi, it is
> > actually
> > > disappointing.Why should a Muganda be
> > negatively
> > > engaged in this kind of thing? Have you ever
> > heard
> > > the Basoga doubting the Kyabazinga's father?
> > No
> > > wonder, so many tribes are laughing at us all
> > the
> > > time.If you have a got a Mulindwa attacking
> > Mutebi
> > > inside/out, then you kind of start wondering
> > who the
> > > real Baganda are.
> > > By the way, OJ, I don't think we gonna get do
> > a DNA
> > > test on MUTEBI at all.We have our own ways of
> > > proving that he is Mutesa's son and i hear
> > they
> > > work.It is called traditional technology, if
> > you
> > > know what i mean.
> > > Abbey
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ========================================
> > > Message Received: Aug 12 2007, 01:30 AM
> > > From: "oryema johnson"
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED],
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Cc:
> > > Subject: Re: king mutebi an acholi(mulindwa)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Abbey,
> > >
> > > Your reaction is to Mulindwa's posting, but in
> > it
> > > you
> > > make a gross mistake when you state: calling
> > Mutebi
> > > an
> > > Acholi is like calling Nobert Mao a Muganda
> > when you
> > > know very well he is from the north" Mr.
> > Abbey, the
> > > north is a region which houses different
> > ethnic
> > > groups. Hon. Mao, may not be a Muganda, but a
> > > Muganda
> > > can come from the North too just like a
> > Karamojong
> > > can
> > > come from Buganda.
> > >
> > > As far as Mutebi is concerned, this thing
> > about him
> > > being Daudi's son, has been going on for a
> > long time
> > > and I am pretty sure, it will continue. It may
> > be
> > > wise
> > > for the Kingdom to do a DNA test to establish
> > > Mutebi's
> > > true identity.
> > >
> > > Also, it is important to remember the
> > historical
> > > connection between the Buganda Kingdom and
> > Acholi
> > > dating back to King Kimera. King Muwanga was,
> > I
> > > believe exiled with another Acholi person
> > called Sir
> > > Daudi Odora, I yet have to check this fact
> > out, I am
> > > not certian whether it was King Muwanga or
> > Mutesa I
> > > with whom he was exiled.
> > >
> > > OJ
> > >
> > >
> > > --- abbey semuwemba
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Mr.Edward Mulindwa,
> > > > I did not say anything like that.You are
> > back to
> > > > your old tricks again:twisting things,aren't
> > you?
> > > If
> > > > one calls you what you are not, then they
> > are
> > > being
> > > > disrespectful in some way.Kabaka Mutebi is a
> > > muganda
> > > > and some people are calling him some thing
> > else.It
> > > > is like calling Honourable Mao a Muganda
> > when you
> > > > very well know that he is originally from
> > the
> > > > North.Again. as Baganda, we should not be a
> > party
> > > to
> > > > calling our beloved king names of all
> > > sorts.Honestly
> > > > Mulindwa, why do you find it necessary to
> > tell us
> > > > the former boyfriends of Nabagereka Nagenda?
> > Is
> > > this
> > > > your portray of your love for the Queen or
> > Buganda
> > > > kingdom? What do you think you achieve by
> > saying
> > > > those things? Just curious(to borrow one of
> > your
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
>
>
>
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