Just a question: Have you committed crimes that Dr. Besigye knows about, that
you are afraid of?
Dr. Besigye called for political reform; he therefore has proven to Ugandans
his political maturity. What Uagndans need to do is give him the presidency of
the country, for some of us are now very curious about these individuals
claiming to be anti-movementists, but are fighting Dr. Besigye instead.
We would love to know why, and knowing why is going to come when Dr. Besigye
is given the presidency, which I believe is a matter of time.
And let me add that, that is going to be the first step; the Chinese say a
journey of a thousand miles starts with the first step!
So, fellow Ugandans let us give Dr. Besigye the presidency!
Ocii
Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
OJ
It is very interesting that some circles think that what we need apology and
forgiveness and then move on, and one wonders, who should the Northerners in
the camps forgive? Yoweri Museveni, Dr Kiiza Besigye or both? And if it is
both, then who do they apologise to? That is why I see no good in them and
that is why we need a fresh start. Surely in Uganda we have a clean Ugandan
some where that can be an FDC spokes man that Wafulla Oguttu who built the
movement. Surely we have some body in Uganda who is clean to lead FDC than
Dr Kiiza Besigye who betrayed Ugandans that not only educated him but
invested millions of dollars into his education so that he can treat them,
and he turned a gun against them.
We need a fresh start.
EM
Toronto
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Oryema Johnson"
To:
Sent: Friday, October 12, 2007 9:16 AM
Subject: Re: Besigye meets Ogole: Why ask me, Ahmed?
>
>
> Ahemd,
>
> What do you mean by "Let us Pardon these people?"
> Surely, if we are to reconcile and forgive, why is it
> that it is them who have to apologize and NRM's role
> is only to forgive.
>
> Wafula was a supporter of NRM for many years, before
> he walked away from it. He states here that NRM killed
> people too. As someone who was an insider, when he
> says things like that, he is admitting, yet, he played
> a role too, in what Uganda is going through today. Is
> that not the way to go? In your case, denial seems to
> play a major role, and yet less than two months ago,
> it was reported that the police were looking for you
> for having said that Museveni knew more about the
> killing of moslems in Masaka in 1979.
>
> Was that a slip of the tongue too, as it is with this
> Tabamiruka thing? I understand the fear you have for
> saying things openly about NRM since you are part of
> its body parts. Would it not be wiser then to keep
> just quiet instead instead of openly denying things
> that are obvious. Anyone who carried a gun for five
> years for the purpose of fighting and killing as
> Museveni and his followers did, surely must have
> killed, wounded and hurt several people over that
> period.
>
> Ahmed, we are just tied of lying by all these
> governments we have had dating back to1962 to today.
> We do not care anymore what they did or doing right
> now, we just want to get away from this barbaric
> behaviour and killer mentality, which even baboons and
> chimpanzees are leaving behind. When you go to places
> like the Cape of Good Hope in Cape Town, South Africa,
> these apes are hanging around tourists as if they were
> buddies. If these fellas can do this to us humans, why
> don't we Ugandans do the same to each other. Just
> being nice to each other so that I can feel secure
> enough to pull my wallet out of my pocket and pay of a
> bottle of Uganda waragi without fearing someone
> snatching away it away from me.
>
> OJ
>
> --- wafula oguttu wrote:
>
>>
>> Ahmed,
>>
>> Why should I be asked about Col. Ogole only?
>> NRA as well killed in Luwero as they have done
>> for 20 years to thousands in the north and East. Who
>> does not know that? As a Uganda journalist for the
>> past 30 years,I may know a bit more.But does it
>> really matter saying it here? Long before Olara
>> Otunnu said it, I wrote that what I had seen in
>> Acholi was "slow genocide". Nobody asked me why I
>> said so. What we need is truth and national
>> reconciliation. Otherwise the country will never
>> heal.
>>
>> Right from the 60s up to the 80 we were given the
>> impression that northerners were the killers.Was it
>> right? Since the 80's it is now the Westerners who
>> are the killers. Is it right? During the colonial
>> days it was the Baganda who were portrayed as the
>> killers.Was it right? That leaves us with only the
>> Easterners as the clean people. But are they? If you
>> say yes, it because they have not yet ruled Uganda.
>>
>> The answer is in the truth and reconcilaition and
>> a national dialogue. We must discuss why we have
>> been butchering each other for many years and even
>> extending the mayhem to our neighbours.
>>
>> Of course national reconciliation does not
>> prohibit trials of individuals for their crimes
>> committed outside politics. These include economic
>> crimes by the corrupt.
>>
>> To NRM members on this net, why has your party
>> never said anything about our persistent calls for
>> national reconciliation and a national dialogue
>> conference? Would that be acceptance of failure or
>> guilt?
>> Waf
>>
>> Ahmed Kateregga Musaazi
>> wrote:
>> General amnesty does not bar an individual
>> from taking legal action against Ogole for killing
>> his father, mother, son or daughter. But for
>> national reconciliation and unity, that's when we
>> could say that let's pardon these people if they
>> apologise. But many of them are adamant.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: jose lukyamuzi
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 5:54 PM
>> Subject: Re: Besigye meets Ogole
>>
>>
>> If I ever meet any lumpen who killed our
>> people on Kampala streets and he refuses to
>> apologise then you Kateregga will have news to write
>> about bcoz we are going no where when people cant
>> own up for their mistakes and wrong doing. In fact
>> handling these fools with kids gloves will set a
>> very bad precedent to those in power as per now so I
>> think an eye for an eye is necessary in some cases.
>>
>> Ahmed Kateregga Musaazi
>> wrote: DIV { MARGIN: 0px } We are not
>> on hearsay but i eyewitnessed testimonies by the
>> people of Luwero. It was state sponsored violence.
>> The main killers were Ogole and Ahmed Ogeny. I saw
>> Ogeny testfying before the commission. Hadn't Obote
>> rigged election in his favour and re-imposed himself
>> on the people of Uganda, there would not have been
>> killings in Luwero Triangle and possibly West Nile.
>> Obote therefore takes responsibility but the Ogoles
>> and Ogenys of this world were massively implicated
>> by the evidence given by volunteers.
>> Museveni came to arrest the situation and NRA
>> identified itself with the people. This is well
>> documented. But if Ogole apologises and asks for
>> amnesty, he may be pardoned for there are many other
>> killers i always see in Kampala whom the state and
>> society have pardoned.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Peter-Rhaina Gwokto
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 3:32 PM
>> Subject: Re: Besigye meets Ogole
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> It's Museveni who buthered you folks in Luwero -
>> FACT. Accept it or shut up. Ogole's apology is not
>> required. He would be an asshole to apologise unless
>> desparation and senile dementia are creeping in. Has
>> Museveni ever apologized about the obvious?
>>
>>
>> ___________________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Ahmed Kateregga Musaazi
>>
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Thursday, October 11, 2007 1:58:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: Besigye meets Ogole
>>
>> Col.John Ogole was the butcher of Luwero. Ask
>> Wafula Ogutu he wll tell you. He must apologise for
>> the atrocities he committed and he must seek
>> amnesty.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jean Paul Mivumba
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 10, 2007 11:03 PM
>> Subject: Besigye meets Ogole
>>
>>
>> 'I am sure he is free to return. We would welcome
>> him. (Col) Ogole is a Ugandan. But who was Dr
>> Besigye representing. He is not government," Lt.
>> Gen. Tumwine, also member of the UPDF High Command
>> said in a telephone interview yesterday.'
>>
>>
>> I think this is "Nugu" that Besigye upstaged them.
>> Does Besigye need to be representing anybody to
>> meet Ogole or anybody else? Is it only government
>> that can meet exiles?
>> --------------
>> Army, MPs welcome Ogole- Besigye meeting
>> HUSSEIN BOGERE, YASIIN MUGERWA & MERCY NALUGO
>> KAMPALA THE London reconciliatory meeting between
>> Colonels Kizza Besigye and John Ogole has received a
>> nod of approval from a section of Ugandans.
>> Col. Ogole and Dr Besigye met in London last Sunday.
>>
>>
>> Former bush war commander Lt Gen Elly Tumwine said
>> Col Ogole is welcome to Uganda, although he wondered
>> in whose capacity opposition leader Dr Besigye met
>> Col Ogole.
>> "I am sure he is free to return. We would welcome
>> him. (Col) Ogole is a Ugandan. But who was Dr
>> Besigye representing. He is not government," Lt.
>> Gen. Tumwine, also member of the UPDF High Command
>> said in a telephone interview yesterday.
>>
>> The UPDF spokesman, Maj Felix Kulayigye said
>> reconciliation was not a new concept.
>> "We have passed out 77 former LRA rebels. Nobody has
>> been harassed. It is an old concept to absorb our
>> adversaries," he said.
>>
>> "When we capture you, you either join us or you go
>> home. There is the example of Maj. Gen. Julius Oketa
>> who was a Lieutenant when he joined us. We don't
>> need lessons. It has been our modus operandi on a
>> non-combat avenue."
>>
>> At Parliament, Chwa MP, Livingstone Okello-Okello
>> commended the move saying it was a new gesture that
>> Uganda needs to embrace.
>>
>> Oyam South MP, Ishaa Otto said Col Ogole and Dr
>> Besigye's meeting is welcome in the interest of
>> peace and reconciliation. "This is what Ugandans
>> need to hear. How long are we going to hate each
>> other? President Yoweri Museveni should learn from
>> this," the legislator said.
>>
>> Kawempe South MP and DP member Ssebuliba Mutumba was
>> amazed to see the man who inflicted most casualties
>> on the NRA in the Luweero bush war happily
>> reconciled with Dr Besigye.
>>
>> "It is a sign of optimism towards a united nation.
>> We need to teach our leaders that detestation cannot
>> take us forward," he said.
>> Bunyaruguru MP Gaudioso Tindamanyire said the NRM
>> had not prevented anybody from coming back to
>> Uganda.
>>
>> "We welcome everybody because it is the cornerstone
>> of the government that cherishes tolerance," he
>> said.
>>
>> Peter Claver Mutuluuza (Mawokota MP) however
>> dismissed Col. Ogole as "expired and therefore
>> cannot be a threat to the established NRM
>> government."
>> His views were echoed by Robert Byabashaija (Youth
>> Western) who said Dr Besigye and Ogole's
>> reconciliation cannot take the NRM by surprise.
>>
>> The opposition shadow minister for Foreign Affairs,
>> Mr Reagan Okumu (Aswa County) added a twist to the
>> meeting,
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