Seriously, is this Oryema a Mulaalo using Northern name?
He does not seem to know that African, including Northerners, still have
elaborate extended family relations that even if a child born into the camp
era, should all his or her parents die, will still have extended relatives that
will take care of him or her including on the question of his or her family
land.
The Balaalos cannot impose themselves on Ugandans. That is just the reality.
Ocii
oryema johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
EM:
It is possible that the balalo can co-exist after the camps are brought down if
both sides are not incited into violence. The chances too, are that the balalo
being nomadic, will leave the region depending on how many refugees are able to
identify what land once was theirs. Not all the older refugees say those who
were interned at the age of 30-40 and are now 50-60 years old are still alive.
It is either their children born at the time of departure for the camps will be
coming back to the villages. They may have no knowledge of what land their
parents owned. In fact if not well cared for the possibility of the retnees
fighting amongst themselves is higher than fighting with outsiders. But I still
pray and hope for the best.
On your other question why people are being kept in camps when there is no war,
the answer personally, is affirmative, it is a deliberate government policy to
do so. This is the biggest failure of the Ugandan opposition, that they have
not brought this to the attention of the international community and not made
it their daily agenda shows that we have no opposition.
OJ
Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: .hmmessage P { PADDING-RIGHT:
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Welcome to the new Tutsi empire.
EM
Toronto
From: Charles Kibuka
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: Balalo. cows and some little public education might help perhaps?
That is why I have very many questions for the advocates of the EA, for mass
migration is only one of the the many problems that Uganda is faced with once
this project becomes a reality. Museveni comes from a tribe of people that
happen to be wonderers by default. They meander and zig zag around menacingly
interfering with the peaceful way of life that the indigenous people are used
too. I'm sorry that some people have been killed in this confusion, but I'm not
sorry one bit that Ugandans are defending them selves against these intruders.
We had milk and skins before they come, therefore we do not need too much of
these skins and milk than we can consume. Let them go back God knows where
Museveni fished them from, and we shall trade with them from, again God knows
what their country is called. Look, I do not see any economic importance or
viability that these people come with, they are just "watembeyi ya ngombe" and
they consume all they produce from their animals. Ugandans
get nothing, nix, zero...Warudi kwenye mustuni.
There is also many reasons that make these balalo people a hate and hit target,
and here is some of the few:
1) They come into our country uncoordinated, and in a mysterious manner
2) They are the most arrogant people you will ever know.
3) They stubbornly and deliberately graze their animals on our people's crops
4) They are armed by the state to intimidate and terrorize Ugandans when they
complain about their animals eating up their crops.
5) They are a threat to national security...well may be not. Aren't they being
imported into the country in preparation of any eventualities where the Himas
could be threatened militarily?
6) They are land grabbers and you must sleep with one eye..."your right eye"
open.
7) Many of them can not even read the signs "keep Kampala clean" that Sebaggala
has put up. What is it with this spiting every where all the time and dumping
the ash from enyungu on the street pavements?
Twareba munonga
JN
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Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:43:53 -0700
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Balalo. cows and some little public education might help perhaps?
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Ahmed,
Perhaps some little education to the general public how the Balalo contribute
to the Ugandan economy in one form or another might help in reducing some of
the tension. Currently, it would appear that the general perception of the
balalo is that of a people who are simply wondering across the land with their
animals without contributing economically. Again, the state of economic affairs
in the country would be hard to use to convince the people that the balalo are
contributing at all. But it is worth trying. They are also contributing to the
nutrition of the country. Some of the milk, meat and muzigo come from these
balalo cows. We use cow skin to make drums and they are also used as chairs or
sleeping mats. So, the balalo are doing their bit. To provide good meat and
milk these cows need to be fed well and that requires green grass and good
grazing land.
Other solution lies in the reduction of the cow population. There are
millions of refuges across Africa and the United Nations High Commissioner for
Refugees bring canned beef from Europe for these folks. Why can't the Uganda
government make a proper arrangement with this agency and sell any cow older
than 10 years and help the balalo use this money to start organizing planned
ranching. Col. Besigye suggested this before, but he was met with a boo.
Banyamulenge importation:
Why is Uganda fond of importating people from neighbouring country for
security purposes? Amin was known to bring in Anyanya from Southern Sudan into
the army. Don't our leaders know proper channels of bringing in immigrants.
There is no problem resettling people from other countries into one's country.
Canada has a policy of bringing in 250,000 immigrants from different parts of
the world every year. But it is very very selective in doing so.
OJ
Ahmed Kateregga Musaazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
The Banyamulenge are the Tutsi of Zaire as we have the Bahima here, the
Bahuma in Tanzania, the Batsietsie in Kenya and probably our own Kabaka Kintu
and his son Kabaka Cwa Nabakka, according to some historians, belonged to that
Bachwezi group from Galla in Ethiopia (Red Abateregga ku Namulondo ya Buganda
by J.S.Kasirye)
----- Original Message -----
From: Ekissodde Ekissodde
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:48 PM
Subject: Re: Apac residents kill Balaalo cattle(Kateregga)
Mw Kateregga,I just read another posting which claims mbu these Balaaalos are
Banyamulenge from Eastern Zaire?What say you?
Edward Mulindwa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OJ
The other part of the story is that when the Movement came to power Balaalo
were given a right to go to Karamoja and steal as many cows as possible, they
drove cows from as deep as Kenya from the Turukanas, so you got an expansion of
numbers of cows that the nation was not planned for, call it a surge in numbers
if you will. That is why you see that Karimojongs are today in Kampala streets
begging for their cows are now with Balaalo's. So I am very slow to debate
their deaths today when they them selves the Balaalos got the cows by killing
Karimojongs and in large numbers. What the Kateregga's did was to neglect the
deaths of Karimojongs and now they're speaking up for these are Balalo's dying.
You have the cows from Karamoja now heaped on one side of the nation of course
they have to run out of the grazing land.
The circus of cows is simply beginning.
EM
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: oryema johnson
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: Apac residents kill Balaalo cattle(Kateregga)
Mr. Ahmed,
Nomadism will be hard to control without a planned and organized ranching. In
the State of Texas, there are many many cows, but all these are in fences fed
with hay that is grown. Even the empty lands on which there are no cows are all
fenced.
These balalo were safe, before Ugandans realized that land was important. In
the 70s these cows used to feed freely and wonder all over our land in Luweero.
The only time we would go after them was when they began eating lumonde and
muwogo.
Now, they are no longer allowed even to come close to the empty lands. Ahmed,
the Luweero war did a major damge to our public relations in Uganda, created
more enemity as well as openning eyes wide, mostly for negative reasons. Since
NRM is staying put, they need to consider this normadism very seriously
OJ
Ahmed Kateregga Musaazi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: But political leaders
will be responsible for the mass kill of pastoralists and animals in Northern
Uganda. I remember well how the Bakanye were chased out of Lango in 1979 after
the fall of Idi Amin, they were almost done the same in Busoga, Bukedi and Teso
during the insurgency in the east in mid eighties. We have not forogotten how
the Baganda were chased out of Kibaale after 1964 Referendum. Those ugly
eposodes we should forgive and forget and we start afresh.
These nomadic balaalo can be barred from entering some agricultural areas and
government itself should be tough on nomadism. But barring one ethenic group
from setlling in any part of the country will set a bad precedent. I don't
encourage nomadism and squating and i have a lot of respect for land ownership
and small holdings (bibanja) but we should be careful with our utterances and
actions. The north has its own problems and should not be tainted more. bUT THE
PASTORALISTS SHOULD BE FORCED TO SELL SOME OF THEIR HERDS AND BUY LAND AND
PRACTISE MIXED FARMING.
----- Original Message -----
From: Edward Mulindwa
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 2:32 PM
Subject: Re: Apac residents kill Balaalo cattle(Kateregga)
At a certain point one has to agree that every Mulaalo sitting in Northern
Uganda is not only dead but so is his/her cow. It is only when.
EM
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas
"avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"
----- Original Message -----
From: Ekissodde Ekissodde
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 7:03 AM
Subject: Apac residents kill Balaalo cattle(Kateregga)
What a great example to be emulatede by Ugandans being terrorized in their
villages by these marauders!
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Samuel O. Egadu
APAC
RESIDENTS of Tarogali parish in the northern district of Apac yesterday
attacked a host of herdsmen there and speared hundreds of their cattle.
Eyewitnesses told Daily Monitor that about 200 cattle were killed and another
200 injured in the Monday morning attack.
"I am seeing several heads of cattle that have been killed by angry
residents. They are about 200. Those injured through spears, hoes and pangas
could be 200," an eyewitness who declined to be named for fear of reprisals
said in an interview.
Police estimates, however, put the number of the dead or injured cattle at
between 100-200 animals.
"We are not certain of the exact number of cattle killed or injured by the
angry residents. I am hearing it's between 100 -200," Police Spokesman Asan
Kasingye said by telephone yesterday.
Mr Kasingye, however, referred this reporter to the northern regional police
commander, Mr Arinatwe Katurebe or his CID counterpart, Mr Vincent Ouma for
details.
When contacted yesterday, Mr Ouma said he was on his way to the scene. "
We
delayed to leave Gulu due to logistical problems," Mr Ouma said.
"The information I am getting is that many cows were killed and several
others injured. I cannot tell the exact number. Our team on the ground is
trying to search for the cattle. I am told some cows have run in disarray," he
said.
By press time, area members of Parliament said about 71 cattle had been
killed.
Heavily armed anti riot and mobile patrol police from Gulu and Lira commanded
by the northern regional CID chief, Vincent Ouma rushed to Apac yesterday
afternoon.
Apac woman MP, Betty Amongi and the area MP, David Ebong (Maruzi County) said
71 cattle had been speared.
"I don't want to blame the residents for their action since the government
deliberately ignored our peoples' pleas for the relocation of the pastoralists.
The people run out of patience this morning and attacked the marauding
pastoralists. They killed 71 cattle," Mr Ebong told Daily Monito r in an
interview.
"The people did this to protect their land and gardens of crops. They could
not allow the pastoralists to continue trespassing on their land and destroying
their crops," he said.
Amongi said, "This is not a new issue. We tried to use all the available
peaceful means for the pastoralist to leave but they ignored. After several
pleas for them to leave, the residents had no option but to go for their
cattle. They killed about 71," Ms Amongi told Daily Monitor.
"The people were provoked by the pastoralists. These headsmen are too
arrogant. They kept on rearing their cattle in peoples gardens," she said.
Adding, "Some of them have guns.
In western Uganda, the Balaalo clashed with the Bagungu in Bullisa. The
indigenous Bagungu want the Balaalo moved from the grazing lands in Bullisa.
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