Bobby Musoke
That is just a myopic typical Muganda reasoning, if you take a closer look
at the mandate of UNESCO it covers what is of greater interest to the
people, and AMO is a man of greater interest to all Ugandans. As much as
Kabaka of Buganda is of greater interest of some Baganda, AMO is of the
entire Uganda. So AMO is actually of greater value for he has those that
adore him and those that hate him but both have a single agreement of
remembering him. And 150 years from today we will have developed greatly
that we will be able to pay and maintain these sites than waiting for
UNESCO. It is a great shame that a Kingdom that old with such amount of
people, cannot maintain a simplistic burial ground as that to need a United
Nation agency, it goes to show the under belly of the Kingdom and its
people. If I had an interest into the Kingdom as yourself I would stand up
and denounce The UNESCO money, fire up my fellow Baganda and we raise it.
Bottom line Baganda do not loved the kingdom to financial commitment, it is
only a UAH Wolokoso.
EM
On the 49th
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bobby Musoke
Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 5:42 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: {UAH} Just like Toro, Busoga too ask for return of 'ebyaife'.
Copying Baganda again?
Mr Edward Mulindwa,
I will offer you another opinion.
UNESCO cannot fund the grave of AMO because the Langi tribe from which AMO
hails is an insignificant tribe in Uganda which makes up less than 5 % of
Uganda's total population.
My two cents worth.
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 2:08 AM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <[email protected]>
wrote:
Friends
I have been asked a question privately that I will respond to publicly, just
for the education of The Ssalongo Ssenoga irks. Cant Ugandans request
UNESCO to list AMOs grave?
Now that is a very interesting question, the answer is No and Yes. In 2013
UNESCO cannot list it as a national site of cultural/national interest
because AMO is a private citizen and no longer a politician. Having stated
that, as generations keep on changing, and national history being written, a
future parliament in Uganda can make a decision to recognize AMO as a back
bone of the national history. But before that parliament takes that step, it
must hunt down the future relatives of AMO and submit this proposal to them,
and it is only them to allow parliament to effect such. The family must be
clearly informed that by such declaration, they will lose the rights on the
grave to the state of Uganda. If the family agrees to that proposal,
parliament will pass such an amendment to recognize the grave as a national
asset, then and only then can UNESCO recognize it and fund for its
protection let alone maintenance. Now the current family cannot do this
because AMO made the decision that when he dies he becomes a private
citizen, so that order must be maintained, but future relatives like 150
years from now surely can change it for the good of the state. If you are
interested into seeing this happening, just live that long.
Because Kabaka is a cultural leader of Buganda, Amasiro becomes a public
property automatically a day before he is buried. A very reason the people
that buried AMO were listed when you will never ever list the names of the
people to bury the King of Buganda.
No way Hozey !!!!!
EM
On the 49th
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Herrn Edward
Mulindwa
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 9:13 AM
To: [email protected]
Cc: [email protected]; G_NET; 'Oryema Johnson'
Subject: RE: {UAH} Just like Toro, Busoga too ask for return of 'ebyaife'.
Copying Baganda again?
FN
We have such dumn brains in Buganda sir. And Ssalongo Ssenoga lifts that
kind of narrow mandidedness for public consumption. Never blame Museveni to
screw up these kinds of brains that much. And I repeat what I have stated
over and over that Uganda did not develop to what it was for Ugandans were
smart, no it developed for Obote and Amin actually spoon fade them. What
Museveni has done is to tap into that stupidity and abuse the country this
is what Amin and Obote should have done. UNESCO funds very many sites and in
very many counties, including Canada and Ontario right here, but all
properties they fund are public properties and of cultural value. But still
Ssenoga wants to stand up in public and declare how Amasiro is a private
entity and how dare we question how UNESCO funds it. The small brain fails
to realize that UNESCO started to fund it for we Ugandans proved to UNESCO
its value to us, and we own a right to go back to UNESCO and declare the
incompetence in the running of the fund and it can be pulled out. And
Ssalongo Ssenoga that is not a threat. All you need is to start going after
it in forums for UNESCO reads what we post. And what gets to me is that very
few Ugandans can look through such chaff when posted I can bet you many in
the forum believe that Amasiro is a private burial ground and we keep on
moving with the stupidity.
You have no idea how many times I read statements made in this forum and I
simply shake my head.
EM
On the 49th
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
[email protected]
Sent: Monday, September 16, 2013 5:29 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: {UAH} Just like Toro, Busoga too ask for return of 'ebyaife'.
Copying Baganda again?
Private burial ground owned by unesco! Hmm! !!!
FN
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-------- Original message --------
From: Frank Mujabi <[email protected]>
Date: 16/09/2013 02:43 (GMT+03:00)
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: {UAH} Just like Toro, Busoga too ask for return of 'ebyaife'.
Copying Baganda again?
Gwokto
I beg your royal pardon !
Do not confuse Buganda/Mengo with Kasubi tombs
The tombs are a private family affair,and UNECSO made a
pact with a family without Buganda/Mengo or Museveni.
Infact Museveni discovered that Kasubi was a UNESCO site AFTER he torched
it.
and he wanted to muscle in at the meeting in Braziil, where he sent
Opio, and some munyankole woman to try and get their
grubby hands on the money, mbu the masiro belong to Uganda.
Nobody at UNESCO listened to the Ugandan owners of Kasubi
There is therefore NOBODY in Buganda or anywhere asking Museveni
for money to restore Kasubi.
Museveni claimed to have 'donated' 2 billion shillings
to the restoration of Kasubi. Nobody asked him for it
and you never heard any muganda thanking him for it
Learn to read the small print!
On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Bobby Musoke <[email protected]>
wrote:
I would advise you to try and find out the difference between money legally
owed to Mmengo and begging.
On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 5:06 PM, Gwokto La'Kitgum <[email protected]>
wrote:
So why is Buganda begging Museveni to dish out Uganda's monay to rebuild the
tomb if it is funded by UNESCO?
___________________________________
Gwokto La'Kitgum
"Even a small dog can piss on a tall Building", Jim Hightower
On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 11:44 AM, Frank Mujabi <[email protected]>
wrote:
Mulindwa
The Kasubi tombs were made a UNESCO site in 1989.
This was done by some forward looking Baganda who were working
at UNESCO at the time. This was before the coronation of
Kabaka Mutebi in 1990, and the creation of Mengo.
Stay with me here: Mengo has no hand in the UNESCO/Masiro
deal which was done by the Kabaka himself in 1989.
When the tombs were burnt, UNESCO kicked in and
gave money to restore the tombs.
As we speak the restoration work is going on very well - thank you.
The Baganda you ask about UNESCO and Masiro have no clue
because Kasubi is primarily a private burial ground for the Buganda
royal family.
The Baganda do not go about asking for details about other people bijja
so they do not ask about finer details of Kasubi tombs.
But you would not know that now, would you ?
On Sun, Sep 15, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Hannah Ogwapiti
<[email protected]> wrote:
Ssalongo,
I think I need some education on the current topic of "Return of Kingdoms
Assets". Isn't the parliament of Uganda supposed to legislate and pass a law
on the procedure, formula and manner of return of these assets the way it
was done with Expropriated Properties taken from Asians by Central
Government? Why should the demands be made to the president as though he
holds these properties? The properties are in the hands of central
government on behalf of the people of Uganda so kingdoms should ask the
people of Uganda through parliament to return the assets.
1. These assets which are found in respective kingdoms especially public
utilities like forests, schools, churches, hospitals, local government
offices serve people primarily in areas where they are located so if they
are returned to the respective kingdoms will they be used differently or
they will be used exclusively for the benefit of the natives of the
Kingdoms?
2. Kingdom administration hold properties in trust for their subjects, the
central government holds public properties in trust for the people of Uganda
who form subjects of these kingdoms, is there need to put these properties
in hands of another trustee? When the current trustee "Central Government"
has not failed to use the same for the people of Uganda?
3. If every kingdom receives its properties and decides to use them
exclusively what is the fate of those people who are not natives of the
respective kingdoms? Do those MOU's cater for other Ugandans who may be
directly affected by the return of the properties like forest reserves etc?
4. Do we still need central government if the respective kingdoms can cater
for their people? Are we not seeing federalism in a disguised manner? If the
government is willing to return the said properties isn't it better then to
have federalism which may become a better system of governance?
The whole topic leaves my head with a lot of unanswered questions. Looking
forward to answers from especially lawyers on this forum.
H.O
On Tue, Sep 10, 2013 at 6:18 PM, Hannah Ogwapiti
<[email protected]> wrote:
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