Mulindwa Muwonge
There is also a fear in some of us that know Uganda that much. You see that
state was created to develop, when you go back even in the EAC days, Uganda was
way better and forward. We had better road systems we had better and more power
supply, we had better hospitals, we had better schools and better brains.
Kampala looked better than Nairobi than Der Es than Lusaka than Kigali and all
surrounding so called cities. And why? For Ugandans are hard workers. What we
need is only one thing, a good governance. If you put a good governance in
Uganda we are going to be held by slow brains in the rest of the community. Let
us go alone if they want services we will supply it at a fee. Our country is
small with resources all over the God damn place, let us get good governance
and start the work than making me as a Luwerorians, responsible to milk a horse
in Garisa for kids in day cares have that milk as a food supply.
Geez !!!!!
EM
On the 49th
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
From: Mulindwa Muwonge [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 3:29 PM
To: [email protected]; Herrn Edward Mulindwa
Subject: RE: {UAH} EAC MILITARY ALLIANCE- MUSEVENI'S MAJOR STAKE.
Im not sure of the viability of the project but they can federate. My fear is
that the greed for power might bring problems. For example mwalimu caused the
disbandment just becsuse of his friend mzee obote. Uganda got nothing. Kenya
took all the planes, hotels and tz took ships and trains in 1979 tz took sll
our entire fleet of gighter jets and military hardware how sure are we that we
sjall not loosd out still
On September 21, 2013 12:18:38 PM PDT, Herrn Edward Mulindwa wrote:
You cannot federate those countries for they have absolutely nothing in common.
The East African Community is a white man’s joke.
EM
Ion the 49th
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Desmond Nzaana
Sent: Saturday, September 21, 2013 7:02 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: {UAH} EAC MILITARY ALLIANCE- MUSEVENI'S MAJOR STAKE.
Robukui
A survey was done in TZ KE UG as well as Rwanda and Burundi, some years back
and support for the federation was higher than 70%
True we have internal problems but remaining small and unviable economically
will not help solve them, on the contrary, I believe that if we had one country
our tribalism which is our no 1 political diseases would disappear. Why because
I don't see any one community aspiring to dominate the whole EA it would not be
practical we would see our politicians damping the tribe as a vehicle of
political support in favor of true issues that cut across.
If you are afraid of Rwandan domination, the best antidote is a united East
Africa
We need to Unite East Africa primarily to give our selves a chance for a strong
economic base, it is impossible to build a sound democracy and good governance
in a poor society. So let us concentrate on economics, the politics will be
easier after that.
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From: Robukui . <[email protected]>
To: UAH <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, 21 September 2013, 3:40
Subject: Re: {UAH} EAC MILITARY ALLIANCE- MUSEVENI'S MAJOR STAKE.
Desmond,
More specs please, you mean a united currency, a unified trade zone, a charter
of rights with women having equal rights in Somalia and Buganda?
Why are all the proper noises,coming from a Rwandese dominated Ugandan
occupying force?
We cannot solve Langi, Acholi, West Nile Federalism, but somehow Project Uganda
is mature enough for an aborted attempt to join SADC?
Viele GruBe
Robukui
2013/9/21 Desmond Nzaana <[email protected]>
Robukui
We are going to have an East African Federation, because most East Africans
support it and the international dynamics favor it. Unfortunately some the
current leaders who are pushing for it may have expired by the time it
materializes. But come it will
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From: Robukui . <[email protected]>
To: UAH <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, 20 September 2013, 21:18
Subject: Re: {UAH} EAC MILITARY ALLIANCE- MUSEVENI'S MAJOR STAKE.
Hajji,
As a DP man by conviction, but NRA by marriage, you know we will never have an
East African Currency, or East African Court, or East African Stock Exchange,
SADC will morph into an African Ideal, Full stop.
How often do EM and Ocen clamor for a NAFTA Political Union?
Never.
Viele GruBe
Robukui
2013/9/20 Ahmed Kateregga Musaazi <[email protected]>
george, you are entittled to your view, but if l remember the Fante
Confederation and the Kitara Federation, they were social, political and
military. The Kitara one, started socially along clans and tribes under
Abatembuzi, but by the time of its peak under Abacwezi, it had turned almost
into a single nation state. Unfortunatley after the fall of the Bcwezi, the
federated states declared their indeependence from Bunyoro, Buganda was the
first and the last was Tooro.
But even if we don't fast track and we realise a monetory union by the end of
this year and a political federation by 2015, l am one of those that are
patient enough. Otherwise, had Nyerere and Obote been foresighted enough,
Tanzania and Uganda would have formed a union after the fall of Idi Amin regime
in 1979, Kenya would have joined after the Air Force coup of 1982, Rwanda after
RPF take over in 1994, and later Burundi and DR Congo. By now SOuth Sudan and
SOmalia would have been part and parcel of it.
Even then there is still hope for realization of the federation in this decade
with or without Museveni, Kagame, Kikwete Uhuru wetc....
On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 5:59 PM, George Okello <[email protected]> wrote:
Haji Katerregga Mawanda Musazzi,
To create a functioning (nal) federation, you need both the objective
and the subjective factors ( to borrow from metaphysics-sorry) in
sync. The objective factors ie the economicconfiguration may be there
at the moment, but the subjective underpinnings, ie the subconcious,
the rational, irrational, personal etc are lacking. In this case, no
federation can take place with a dictator in situ in Uganda. If
Rwandan occupation of Uganda were to end, then one huge subjective
impediment would have been lifted. Museveni, sadly, is the millstone
around the neck around the federation. Which begs the question why we
are so far away from God and so near to Rwanda.
George Okello
On 9/20/13, Ahmed Kateregga Musaazi <[email protected]> wrote:
> The East Africa Federation was first mentioned in 1952 or 1953 and AfricANS
> FEARED IT AS IT WAS BENEFITING THE wHITE SETTLERS IN kENYA. tHIS WAS AFTER
> RHODESIA (ZAMBIA AND ZIMBAWE) AND NYASALAND (MALAWI) HAD A CENTRAL AFRICA
> FEDERATION THAT WAS PREDOMINANTLY WHITE.
> By then Museveni was in primary school. We missed the East Africa
> Federation as a result of the East Africa mutinies of 1964 that ened up in
> a Zanzibari Revolution and union with Tanganyika to form Tanzania.
> If politicians fail, may others will help us to get that cause, be
> traditional leaders, spiritual leaders, military leaders, civil society,
> private sector, media, etc.....
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Frank Mujabi
> <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Kateregga
>>
>> There is no East African federation of any sort that wilol take place.
>>
>> Museveni is finished, Nobody will sponsor his federation.
>> kenya is just playing along for time
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Rajab Ali <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> AKM! What would a federation of all the countries you mention be called?
>>> Not the East African Federation, I suppose?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On 20 Sep 2013, at 08:06, Federica Nshemereirwe
>>> <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> East African Federation will never happen, not with the visionary still
>>> in power in Ug. After all, I suspect, the Ug government will soon shut
>>> down! Wait and see! Just wake me up when this federation happens!
>>> Please!!
>>> FN.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Ahmed Kateregga Musaazi <[email protected]>
>>> *To:* ugandans-at-heart <[email protected]>
>>> *Sent:* Friday, September 20, 2013 9:12 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: {UAH} EAC MILITARY ALLIANCE- MUSEVENI'S MAJOR STAKE.
>>>
>>> Robukui, for clarity l am for the current EAC to turn into a plitical
>>> federation. But for fast tracking, let's go with those that are willing
>>> now
>>> i.e. Uganda, Kenya and Rwanda. Others will join later. Both Sudans
>>> applied
>>> to join the EAC and so is Somalia. South Sudan will be admitted at the
>>> end
>>> of this year, God willing. We are still waiting for DR Congo, and during
>>> the late Meles Zenawi's days, Ethiopia was coming, according to Onyango
>>> Obbo.
>>> We should remember that in the past community, Zambia, Ethiopa and the
>>> Sudan had also applied.
>>> Personally, l think, Mozambique and Malawi should be part of it so are
>>> Djibouti and Eritrea.
>>> But those will join much later.
>>> We should have an East Africa Federation of the present members and at
>>> least South Sudan, DR Congo and Somalia, by 2015.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Sep 20, 2013 at 5:03 AM, Robukui . <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Frank,
>>> I will add more, however this is Butare Boy, in full offense, TZ and
>>> Ocen
>>> are not playing ball, they have the same info, the ICC Kikuyu is sitting
>>> on
>>> an automatic economy, one that will grow with or without him.
>>>
>>> One day our Kenyan brothers Pojim and Ocen, will enlighten us on the the
>>> true drivers of the Kenyan Economy.
>>>
>>> Read his backers for the EAC, and the directive they received.
>>>
>>> Our resident Hajji is a EAC Federalist, without Tz but with Somalia,
>>> South Sudan and .......
>>>
>>> *
>>> *
>>> *Viele GruBe*
>>> *Robukui*
>>>
>>>
>>> 2013/9/18 Frank Mujabi <[email protected]>
>>>
>>> Robukui
>>>
>>> Does Museveni have the power to create an East African federation ?
>>>
>>> Where are the godfather's here ?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Sep 18, 2013 at 12:13 AM, Robukui . <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>
>>> EAC MILITARY ALLIANCE - MUSEVENI'S MAJOR
>>> STAKE.<http://changeofguards.blogspot.ca/2013/09/eac-military-alliance-musevenis-major.html>
>>> Had the original East African Community (EAC) not collapsed in 1977,
>>> Tanzania would not have invaded Uganda to overthrow Iddi Amin in.
>>> Rwanda,
>>> Burundi and Congo too all along had in place a similar arrangement that
>>> preceded the current International Conference on the Great Lakes Region
>>> (ICGLR). Their original regional arrangement had its secretariat based
>>> in
>>> Goma. That regional body was a success story because it successfuly
>>> resolved any misunderstanding that arose between any state party. It
>>> managed to contain any attempt by Rwandese Tutsis exiled in Congo and
>>> Burundi from any hostile activities against the Hutu government in
>>> Rwanda.
>>> Similary the same body contained Burundi Hutus who were exiled in Rwanda
>>> from any hostility against the Tutsi government in Burundi. That way,
>>> the
>>> hostility that ignited that region's blody conflict had to come from
>>> outside the regional arrangement - Uganda. In 1990 the Rwandese Tutsis
>>> from
>>> Uganda invaded Rwanda and the long time constrined Rwandese Tutsis in
>>> Congo
>>> and Burundi flocked Uganda to join hands with RPF. In 1993, Burundi got
>>> the
>>> first democratically elected Hutu President but was slaughtered by the
>>> Tutsi army three months later. A Hutu had taken over power in Burundi at
>>> a
>>> time when the Tutsi RPF was battling the Hutu government of Rwanda. Had
>>> he
>>> not been slaughtered and power reverted back to the Tutsi army, the then
>>> Hutu government of Rwanda would have got a strong ally in Burundi thus
>>> strengthening its resistance against the RPF. With the pro-Uganda RPF
>>> taking over power in Rwanda in 1994, that regional body collapsed. The
>>> final nail was hardly two years later when the RPF invaded Congo and
>>> overthrew Mobutu.
>>>
>>> Museveni had all along envied that body but also feared that his
>>> presidency would be challenged from Congo. That is why just a few hours
>>> after being sworn in as President in 1986, he flew to Congo to meet
>>> Congos
>>> Mobutu, Rwanda's Habyarimana and Kenya's Arap Moi. He wanted that
>>> regional
>>> body to be expanded to include Uganda and Kenya in order to secure a
>>> regional military alliance. Kenya had since the time of Iddi Amin
>>> haboured
>>> Ugandan dissidents. During the Obote II regime Kenya was the major base
>>> of
>>> the NRA external operations. After Museveni took over power, still Kenya
>>> was a base of Uganda dissidents. Around 1997, an all out war was about
>>> to
>>> break out after the NRA made an incursion into Kenya. Dissident Ugandan
>>> Amon Bazira was shot dead in Nairobi by ESO operatives. In early 1990s
>>> Kenyan dissident Col Odong who had formed the February Eighteenth
>>> Resistance Army (FERA) was a state guest in Kampala and handled by
>>> Aronda
>>> before relocating to Ghana. During the controvercial elections in Kenya
>>> Museveni was opposed to the Raila Oginga victory for fear that the
>>> later's
>>> goverment would ally with the Nilotes/Luos in Uganda. He had supported
>>> the
>>> SPLA in Southern Sudan but intelligence reports indicated that that it
>>> often supplied LRA with logistics and intelligence. Museveni's main fear
>>> was that once John Garang had secured Southern Sudan's independence, he
>>> could seek to support his cousins in Nothern Uganda. John Garang died in
>>> a
>>> Ugandan Helcopter crash shortly before the countrie's independence.
>>>
>>> In advocating for the fast tracking of the EAC political federation,
>>> Museveni seeks to secure a military alliance that will guarantee his
>>> stay
>>> in power. To this end he sough to include a provision in the defence
>>> pact
>>> thus "an attack on a member state shall be an attack against all member
>>> states. An armed attack against a party state party shall be considered
>>> a
>>> threat to regional security. Such an attack shall be met with immediate
>>> collective action by all state parties". This provision was defeated by
>>> Tanzania prompting Museveni to lower his tone on his much aclaimed EAC
>>> Stand by Brigade and instead concentrate on strengthening his son's SFG.
>>> Another interest lies in attaining the first Presidency of the EAC
>>> federation so that he hands over Uganda's Presidency to his chosen
>>> successos. That is why he opposed Ghadafi on the idea of African Union.
>>> With Tanzania's reluctancy to fast track the EAC federation coupled by
>>> presure to relinguish the presidency in Uganda, Museveni is desparately
>>> trying to secure a faster regional federation without Tanzania. In his
>>> calculation, if he already has the support of Rwanda, Kenya and South
>>> Sudan. In future he expects to bring on board Somalia and the yet to be
>>> created state of Kivu in eartern DRC.
>>>
>>> Therefore, Tanzania's deployment into DRC against Rwanda/Uganda backed
>>> M23 was a fatal blow to Museveni's schemes. The situation is worserned
>>> by
>>> recent expulsion of Rwandese from Tanzania. To Museveni the federation
>>> and
>>> the Swahili language was also meant to cover up for the Banyarwanda
>>> identity especially the pastroll comunities that are randomly scattered
>>> all
>>> over the region. These pastrol communities of Tanzania's Kagera Region
>>> had
>>> assisisted Museveni during the fight against Amin. Now they are securing
>>> the southern border.
>>>
>>> INFORMATION IS POWER.
>>>
>>> Posted by Uganda - A Change of Guards!
>>> <http://www.blogger.com/profile/14776236400664835754>
>>> *
>>> *
>>> *Viele GruBe*
>>> *Robukui*
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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