Paul Mugerwa
Allow me to start by stating that the identifications of the 18 kids in The
Nairobi West Mall attack has started, and two are Canadian kids out of my own
Ontario, and 4 are American that I still have failed to narrow down where from.
I said that I did not want to hold this thread for you re un informed, a
statement you took wrongly, but read this sentence sir and I directly quote you
" You are dismayed by taxation but that is how the governments raise revenue in
order to serve you. If the tax policies are unfair, again that becomes a
question of politics. In USA you pay as you earn. Nobody can be thrown in jail
for failure to pay tax when you never earned any income in the first place. "
End quote. Are you saying that Somalis that have been killed for all years
should sit and have apolitical dialogue? With whom? Western countries have now
poured into DRC and looting it dry, through Museveni and Kagame at a cost of 8
million dead Congolese. Who should the Congolese talk to politically? Then you
state and I again quote you sir " You keep accusing Kenya and Uganda of
getting involved in Somalia; you forgot that they did it out of moral and
security reasons " End quote. Paul how many Northerners and Easterners died in
camps?
Where were the moral values of all those that have it on Somalia and now to
Kenya?
EM<
On the 49th
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Mugerwa
Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 9:35 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: {UAH} Israeli commando force joins Kenyan military storming
Nairobi mall seized by Islamist gunmen
EM,
As humans we need leadership in all spheres of life you may choose to suggest.
Government is a term that may be applied by the society to describe their form
of leadership. When the government abuses the powers conferred upon it by the
people it is supposed to serve, that is a different thing all together. It does
not mean we have got to get rid of the government at all - It becomes a matter
of politics.
You are dismayed by taxation but that is how the governments raise revenue in
order to serve you. If the tax policies are unfair, again that becomes a
question of politics. In USA you pay as you earn. Nobody can be thrown in jail
for failure to pay tax when you never earned any income in the first place.
Again it depends where you live.
You keep accusing Kenya and Uganda of getting involved in Somalia; you forgot
that they did it out of moral and security reasons. Here is a failed state
called Somalia whose problems are purely self-inflicted. The insurgents
distabilized their country and in the process forced their people to become
refugees in the neighboring countries. This caused security concerns and also
put a lot of pressure on an already meager resources of the host countries. So
this spill over of the Somali-conflict had to be dealt with by Kenya and Uganda
who had the direct impact of the refugee influx. They got sucked in against
their will I must add. Their military involvement in Somalia is designed to
help create political stability so that Somalis can have peace and go back and
stay in their own country.
So my friend for you to think that I'm ignorant just because I hold a different
view from yours, that is the real ignorance sir. If you so much hate
governments why not try out anarchy!!! I mean a no man's land where survival
is for the fittest.
Paul Mugerwa
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On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 4:16 PM PDT Herrn Edward Mulindwa wrote:
>Paul Mugerwa
>
>You are driving this discussion into the territory I do not want to go,
>because you are un informed and I rather you remain so. Think about
>this, pick any country and in any society and question yourself the
>meaning of the term "A government" what does it mean to you? How does
>it look like? Does it have a structure? But do you know that it has
>rights even up and above the laws? A government is just a pile of
>people that brain wash the rest of people to forcefully brain wash them
>that they own the utter authority. Look at The West gate mall today,
>people came into the mall with guns and blew up people to death, we
>call them terrorists. I have seen Utubes of Kenyan army going in with
>such fire power I never even knew exists in Kenya, and they are walking
>into the mall in day light. And why? Because although they also kill
>people they will never be labeled terrorists. We know the number of
>people killed by the terrorists but do you know the number of
people killed by the government side? No because the government side is not
accountable to any one and it does not have to give you numbers. I wake up
every morning to go to work, at the end of the week I get a pay check, on that
check there is a line reading income tax. They decide how much they take for
they decide on the percentage of what I make. Income tax is actually a
punishment to those that go to work. And here is what is annoying, if I work
and do not pay it they arrest me and force me to pay it, but if I decide not to
work they cannot arrest me, how fair is that? So it is a system that feeds on
my being a good person. Then after they have taken the income tax at base, they
follow me and tax me on everything I buy, Paul Mugerwa I pay 47% tax on a
litter of gas in this city. On top of the income tax that was taken on the base
amount. And when they are spending it, I have no hand in making that decision
either. Watch Kenya today and follow this issue very carefully, do you see the
British going in and Israelis going in and The Americans flying in? The Kenyan
Baboons are going to pay for all those expenses. Did The Kenyan population ask
their government to go to Somalia? No. Barrack Obama said that he is going to
congress to ask for permission to go and attack Syria, John Kerry stood in
London the very same day and said that Obama is going to congress to ask for
permission but he does not need it to attack Syria. Can you put that in English
for me sir?
>
>Paul Mugerwa who are the terrorists, The governments we have or the
>Al-Shabaabs? Just asking !!!!!!!!
>
>EM
>On the 49th
>
>
> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni and
>Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri
>Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected]
>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Mugerwa
>Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 6:47 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: RE: {UAH} Israeli commando force joins Kenyan military
>storming Nairobi mall seized by Islamist gunmen
>
>
>So in your opinion, wherever there is greed terrorism follows. If your
>explanation were to hold, the entire human society would be in chaos and
>anarchy - Beginning right from the domestic family.
>
>Paul Mugerwa
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:30 PM PDT Herrn Edward Mulindwa wrote:
>
>>
>>You asked a question and you are hating the answer? Geez !!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>EM
>>On the 49th
>>
>> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni and
>>Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
>> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri
>>Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: [email protected]
>>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Mugerwa
>>Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 6:25 PM
>>To: [email protected]
>>Subject: RE: {UAH} Israeli commando force joins Kenyan military
>>storming Nairobi mall seized by Islamist gunmen
>>
>>
>>That is a relative term sir and leaves a lot to be desired.
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 3:02 PM PDT Herrn Edward Mulindwa wrote:
>>
>>
>>Greed
>>
>>EM
>>On the 49th
>>
>> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni and
>>Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
>> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri
>>Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: [email protected]
>>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Mugerwa
>>Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 5:56 PM
>>To: [email protected]
>>Subject: RE: {UAH} Israeli commando force joins Kenyan military
>>storming Nairobi mall seized by Islamist gunmen
>>
>>
>>EM,
>>
>>What you are not explaining is the concept of how to create terrorism. How do
>>you create terrorism sir? What are the underlying factors necessary for
>>terrorism to take place?
>>
>>Paul Mugerwa
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 2:45 PM PDT Herrn Edward Mulindwa wrote:
>>
>>Paul Mugerwa
>>
>>But you re also getting concerned after the mall attack, you have not been
>>concerned all along as thousands die. The complaint about death should have
>>started way before Uganda went to Somalia, and I missed it. People do not
>>get born terrorists we force them to be. When you see 18 year old taking this
>>stand, they have nothing in life thus nothing to lose.
>>
>>Those are very tough people to work with sir, a very reason we must not
>>create them to start with.
>>
>>EM
>>On the 49th
>>
>>
>> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni and
>>Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
>> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri
>>Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: [email protected]
>>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Paul Mugerwa
>>Sent: Sunday, September 22, 2013 5:37 PM
>>To: [email protected]
>>Subject: Re: {UAH} Israeli commando force joins Kenyan military
>>storming Nairobi mall seized by Islamist gunmen
>>
>>
>>That is horse-manure:
>>
>>Jim is it true that Muslims were identified and released? If I put a
>>question to that fact, do I sound colonial? I think your mind is twisted
>>sir. Just remember many innocent souls perished for no good reason and many
>>more still endangered. Some people get concerned and focused only when their
>>own are involved. But isn't that being mean?
>>
>>Paul Mugerwa
>>
>>
>>
>>------------------------------
>>On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:46 AM PDT jim muwanga wrote:
>>
>>Are you saying all moslems are bad?
>>
>>the way you argue is very colonial.
>>
>>Christianity and Islam have messed up AFRIKA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>
>>On 9/22/13, Paul Mugerwa <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> So the Islamic gunmen identified all the Muslims, released and gave
>> them safe passage. The rest (infidels) who deserve to die as per the
>> Koran had to suffer at their hands. Now you know and understand why I
>> question some of the Islamic teachings. Let a faithful and honest Muslim
>> explain that to me.
>>
>>
>> Paul Mugerwa
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 11:04 AM PDT Rehema Uganda wrote:
>>
>>The World Trade Centre had about 5000 Israeli employees but none was a
>>victim that day. Mossad and M-16 say they had long warned the CIA and FBI.
>>
>>
>>On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Godfrey Kasiriba
>> <[email protected]>wrote:
>>
>>> Israeli commando force joins Kenyan military storming Nairobi mall
>>> seized by Islamist gunmen DEBKAfile Special Report September 22,
>>> 2013, 3:12 PM (IDT)
>>> Tags: Kenya, <http://www.debka.com/search/tag/Kenya/> Al Qaeda,
>>> <http://www.debka.com/search/tag/Al%20Qaeda/> Al Shabaab,
>>> <http://www.debka.com/search/tag/Al%20Shabaab/> Terrorists,
>>> <http://www.debka.com/search/tag/Terrorists/> Israeli commandos,
>>> <http://www.debka.com/search/tag/Israeli%20commandos/>
>>> [image: Terrorist attack in Nairobi mall] Terrorist attack in
>>> Nairobi mall
>>>
>>> AFP reports from a security source in Nairobi that Israeli special
>>> forces joined the Kenyan military in storming the Westgate shopping
>>> mall, Sunday, Sept. 22, to break the standoff with some dozen Al
>>> Qaeda-linked Somali Al Shabaab gunmen barricaded there with hostages
>>> for the second day. The death toll from the Saturday
>>> shooting-grenade attack has risen to 59 with 205 people injured.
>>>
>>> debkafile, the only world publication to reveal the Israeli
>>> involvement from the start of the Nairobi mall attack Saturday, now
>>> discloses that the Israeli commandos were airlifted to Kenya when
>>> the Westgate mall was first attacked. Nairobi invoked a secret
>>> security pact between the two governments under which Jerusalem
>>> guarantees military assistance should the Kenyan government be
>>> threatened by a foreign force.
>>>
>>> This was the first time Israeli special counter-terror forces have
>>> fought Al Qaeda terrorists face to face on foreign soil. The Israeli
>>> foreign ministery refused to confirm or deny any inovlvement in
>>> Kenya.
>>>
>>> debkafile reported exclusively Saturday that the AQAP-backed Somali
>>> terrorists singled the target out to hit two targets – Kenya and
>>> Israel
>>>
>>> After releasing Muslims, the raiders held onto an unknown number of
>>> hostages, some on the ground floor where Israeli shops are located;
>>> more in other parts of the seven-floor building. Unknown too is the
>>> number of injured and possibly dead victims, including foreigners,
>>> who are still trapped in the building. American, British, Canadian
>>> and French citizens were reported killed or injured in the initial
>>> attack Saturday.
>>>
>>> The Kenyan and Israeli authorities have blanketed with secrecy the
>>> scene inside the mall, from which a barrage of gunfire and
>>> explosions were heard during the morning. Local police and special
>>> forces are trying to force the Islamist gunmen to surrender and give
>>> up the hostages.
>>>
>>> Israeli security experts are known to be assisting in the operation.
>>>
>>> The US sent a commando unit to Nairobi from bases in Italy and the
>>> UK, an advance counter-terror forward team. The Cobra cabinet is
>>> holding continuous sessions in London as the situation unfolds.
>>>
>>> In Israel, no one in authority is willing to comment on the
>>> incident, despite Israel’s involvement. Three Israelis were reported
>>> rescued from the mall Saturday, but there is no word on any who may
>>> still be trapped there.
>>> Since its creation in 2006, the Somali Al-Shabaab has maintained
>>> strong operational ties with the Yemen-based AQAP command for its
>>> long and bloody insurgency against the Mogadishu government. Our
>>> counter-terror sources report that the Somali wing receives
>>> training, munitions and medical care at al Qaeda’s Yemeni camps.
>>> They interact frequently by means of speedboats plying regularly
>>> between the Yemen and Somalia.
>>>
>>> The scale of the Westgate mall attack, which was carried out by up
>>> to a score of well-trained fighting men armed with large quantities
>>> of ammunition, pointed to heavy AQAP involvement from the word go.
>>> In the past, Al Qaeda has notoriously singled out American and
>>> Israeli targets in East Africa – the 1998 attacks on the US
>>> embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, and the 2002 assault on Israeli
>>> tourists in Mombasa.
>>>
>>> However, the Nairobi attack was related to the present.
>>>
>>> Al Qaeda’s eyes and ears in Kenya didn’t miss the military and
>>> intelligence assistance Israel renders Kenya for its operations
>>> against Islamist terror in two areas: The Israeli army and security
>>> bodies send combat equipment and provide tactical advice to the
>>> Kenyan units fighting alongside Somali government forces against Al
>>> Shabaab; and Israel’s intelligence agencies and police are helping
>>> the Kenyan government build a strong shield or barrier against the
>>> Somali war’s spillover, to guard against Al Shabaab opening up a
>>> second front to the rear of the Kenyan forces fighting across the
>>> border.
>>> This protective barrier clearly sprang a large leak Saturday.
>>> See debkafile’s first report on the Westgate Mall attack Saturday, Sept.
>>> 21. <http://www.debka.com/article/23298>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.debka.com/article/23299/Israeli-commando-force-joins-Keny
>>> an-military-storming-Nairobi-mall-seized-by-Islamist-gunmen
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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