Matek
Thank you for that clarification. And that tis why we have a serious
question ion the Kenyan ministers statement of identification of these
terrorists. You see for me I go after very minor details that many ignore.
The Kenyan minister said that they know these terrorists and they know the
names with the country of origin. Now back in the western media they
started to line them with Al Qaeda, fact is Al Shabaab is not Al Qaeda and
has nothing to do with Western politics. These are people fighting for their
country and their beef is with Kenya a country they have warned many many
years to stop attacking them. Secondly The Kenyan minister and The Kenyan
government has said all along that the terrorists are 10, on Sunday late
here which was Monday morning Kenya time, Kenyan government said that they
had arrested 7 of the terrorists who were found in the airport. If they were
10 and 7 were arrested at the airport, is Kenya claiming that to today are
failing to get control of the mall due to the remaining 3? When exactly did
these 7 leave the mall? The attack was on Saturday and the Police with army
surrounded the mall, we have all along been told that the forces are trying
to get the hostages released with no harm. How did the 7 leave the mall to
end up in the airport and get arrested? Al Shabaab is very different from Al
Qaeda so this we have their nationalities if hog wash.
They need to lie better than that.
EM
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The US is not a target of al-Shabaab
Ignore those who say Kenya's mall attack will lead to jihadist attacks in
the US. Somali Americans are not a domestic threat
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As the
<http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/24/kenya-mall-siege-authorities-t
ry-to-secure-control-live> terrorist attack and hostage crisis at the mall
in Nairobi continues, the question arises: what does this mean for
<http://www.theguardian.com/world/usa> United States?
Long Island
<http://www.newsmax.com/NewsmaxTv/peter-king-terrorism-efforts/2013/09/23/id
/527256> Congressman Peter King insists that the mall attack signifiesthat
America itself is vulnerable, that new level of vigilance is needed if
another 9/11 is to be avoided. In particular, King is fixated on the idea
that trained jihadists will return from the far battlefield and recruit and
train others, possibly for targets in the United States.
Should the situation, as Rep King has warned, cause Americans to fear for a
similar or related attack along the lines of the Nairobi mall attack? Does
it compel a new course of action for counterterrorism experts and officials
in the United States? The answer is that the Nairobi attack may not suggest
either the possibility of a similar incident occurring in the United States
or a doubling-down on counterterrorism activities in the United States.
At the center of the concerns of Congressman King and others is the
relationship between <http://www.theguardian.com/world/al-shabaab>
al-Shabaab, the terrorist organization that is leading the Nairobi attack,
and the Somali-American community. <http://www.theguardian.com/world/kenya>
Kenya's foreign minister has focused attention on this issue by
<http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/24/kenya-mall-siege-british-woman
-attacker> reporting that several of the terrorists are "Americans". So,
here are some of the relevant facts. Somalia is engaged in a violent civil
war in which the government is opposed by a number of radical insurgent
groups, including the <http://www.theguardian.com/world/al-qaida>
al-Qaida-linked al-Shabaab. Al-Shabaab is dedicated to ousting the current
regime and establishing a government based on a harsh sharia law.
The United Nations and the United States support the current government and
thus the African Union Forces largely from Kenya and Ethiopia that are
engaging al-Shabaab and others on behalf of the government of Somalia.
Significantly, the opposition to Kenyan and Ethiopian intervention in
Somalia carrying with it a longstanding historical bitterness is shared
by non-Islamic groups as well.
Since the beginning of the rise in hostilities in the civil war, many Somali
Americans have agreed with the opposition to the current regime. Many of
these Somali Americans have gone abroad for the purpose of ousting the
current government and pushing back against African Union Forces. Many have
joined al-Shabaab in the process. Supporting a foreign terrorist
organization is against US law, and indictments have been filed in federal
court against the known foreign fighters from the United States. Several of
those against whom the indictments have been filed have been apprehended
abroad and convicted in federal court. Others remain at large.
According to Peter King, and others, the prospect of these foreign fighters
returning to the US, and recruiting and training others, poses a grave
danger to the United States. But here are some additional relevant facts
that shed some doubt on the assertion that fighters from Somalia necessarily
pose a danger to the US.
First, none of the individuals who traveled to Somalia and who were
eventually arrested and convicted, was accused of planning an attack on the
United States. Their crime was giving aid and support to a foreign terrorist
organization that has not attacked the United States. Second, in the United
States proper, where Somali Americans donating funds to Somalia-based causes
are often under suspicion for providing material support for terrorism,
there have been numerous convictions for financing al-Shabaab. But not one
of these individuals has been linked to plans for an attack on the United
States.
And finally, in the only case where a Somali American was accused of
planning a violent attack in the US Mohammed Mohammed who was accused and
convicted after participating in an FBI sting operation to bomb a Christmas
Day parade there was no accusation of a link to al-Shabaab or any other
terrorist organization. Even Omar Hammami, considered for a time the
highest-ranking American in al-Shabaab, who eventually broke with the
organization, was not accused of calling for violence against the United
States.
In sum, the terrorism prosecutions against Somali Americans allegedly
involved with al-Shabaab have been for recruitment and financing an
extremist cause abroad, not for plotting to harm Americans on American soil.
So, why does Congressman King persist in fear-mongering despite evidence to
the contrary?
The answer lies in the worry that foreign fighters who end up joining
jihadist causes abroad could prove lethal if they returned home to recruit;
that nationalist causes all too often go hand-in-hand with the call for an
al-Qaida-style global jihad. But given the absence of such behavior among
Somali Americans, isn't the converse also true? That Somali Americans can
believe they are helping to support a nationalist group abroad, and that
even if they are misguided in their attempts to fund foreign extremists,
that they are not intent upon harming the US?
After all, the Somali diaspora in the United States has demonstrated for
example, in Minneapolis and St Paul, where many of the foreign fighters come
from a strong determination towards integration into the American way of
life via educational institutions, business and civic organizations. And do
we really want to assume the worst as a means of prevention? Have we become
a society too scared to think that our law enforcement officials can weed
out those who pose a danger to the United States from those who break the
law in a misguided effort to support local causes abroad?
Once again, it seems, when it comes to fears of domestic terrorism, suspects
in the United States are guilty until proven innocen
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This is a quote:
"Even if Joseph Kony was killed, that would not necessarily be the end of
the war in northern Uganda because Kony is no more than a spiritual
leader of the LRA. This quick fix, arm-chair solution seemed to be from the
Kampala-based opinion leaders who only know the war through newspapers".
" Until the legitimate grievances and the marginalization of northern
Ugandas communities are addressed, LRA fighters remain a possible vehicle
for the expression of northerners frustrations".
"Kony may never sign a peace agreement. Whether or not he signs, however, is
less relevant to avoiding new conflict in northern Uganda than ending
marginalization policies and fulfilling promises by the Ugandan government."
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