Friends
Before I tuck into my bed tonight, I need to make a public apology to Mwami
Kyaggwe for he asked a very varied question and the manner at which I
responded to him was not helpful, I should know better than that. Mwami
Kyaggwe I am with-drawing this response and will try to respond to your
direct question as I possibly can. { EM -should we
condemn all Nubian/Kakwa (your tribesmen) for Amin's atrocities? I'm sure
there are as men god Nubian as there are good Acholi. What do you think?}
It is true we cannot lump an entire population to crimes committed by an
individual, and of all people it is myself that has preached this sermon a
million times. The thread however I am dealing with of Acholis going after
Langis, is specific and must be discussed within that concept. When you look
at the atrocities committed by Acholis to West Nilers and Langis, you will
realize that they were not committed by those in powers only, but the
population of Acholis at large. And let me go into specifics here to make my
dear very sad point.
Yes there is an Acholi Lieutenant Colonel Walter Odoch standing up in day
light and murdering a Margret Obonyo as in Acholi inn for she is a Langi,
but there is a mass targeting of individuals for they are Langis done by
Acholis amass. And this thread is not getting momentum for many of
atrocities they commit are in The North, so you need to be in the North or
to understand the politics of The North to go after it. And here are some
examples of Acholi brutality against Langis and these are done by Acholis
amass. They targeted Major Ogoles home and demolished it making sure they
do not leave a brick laid on a God damn brick. At Col Ogole's home, they
literary uprooted the house form its foundation. They ransacked and
destroyed to ashes whatever they could not carry. This was a way of
expressing their fury and vehemence on a man that never did harm to any
Acholi. What could they have done to him if they had captured him dead or
alive? Can Charles Aliga stand up tonight and state what Col. Ogole or any
member of his family ever did to Acholis to deserve such brutality? But
what mistake did he do? The man was accidently born a Langi. Acholis, again
amass targeted David Oyite Ojokes property destroying it including
uprooting the entire UEB line going to his home and uprooting the poles that
took power to his village thus his home. Let me be very very clear here,
Acholis did not target power going to David's home only they targeted a line
{a 130 KV} going to his area thus supplying or planned to supply even the
Acholis themselves. They uprooted the poles and to today power has never
been reinstated. What did Oyite Ojoke do to them? The man again was born a
Langi. These are attacks not done by Acholis in power but by Acholi masses
from village levels to make sure that as long as you are a Langi you never
live in The North.
Then there was this very notorious and infamous man called Ojukwe. He was
nick named Ojukwe because of his look alike to the Biafra leader Ojukwe.
Those from the North can kindly state his name for it has by-passed me, but
if you are form North you know exactly who I am talking about. Ojukwe
looked a real freak with beards and more like a gargoyle. Little is known
about his real names but the man was a barbarian Acholi, very illiterate and
very primitive. He was the self-styled governor of Lango and head of a
notorious militia called the Acholi-Labwor. Ojukwe never spoke any English
and never wore an military uniform but would always carry rifles and a
loaded pistol. He had escorts of well over 15 all of them Acholi-Labwor.
Ojukwe was the chief architect and director of revenge and all the
atrocities committed on the people of Lango when Obote was overthrow. Many
officers and men who returned to their homes after the 1985 coup were
arrested and slaughtered at will by this Ojukwe man. It is very hard to
describe in words what these Acholi officers and men did to the people of
Lango. The murder, maiming, looting, raping and destruction of property and
the people of Lango will forever remain a mark on the Langi. These are
things that took place when Olara Otunu was the minister of foreign affairs
and these are issues that some of us love Otunnu to kindly testify to when
under oath. Am I spreading hate between two lovers? Heck no but this is a
discussion that must be held by all of us if we are to even literary/vaguely
thinking of handing power to Acholis via Federalism. And this must be a very
open discussion where both Langis and Acholis must be allowed to freely
speak than making this an issue of George Okello whose father educated to
know how to lead the Langis.
Many of our people are alive today thanks to unitarism.
EM
On the 49th
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
-----Original Message-----
From: Herrn Edward Mulindwa [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 7:27 PM
To: '[email protected]'
Subject: RE: {UAH} IT IS TIME UGANDANS EMBRACE UNITARIM IN SHEER EARNEST
Kyaggwe
I made my call make yours as long as you can factually back it as I am
factually backing mine.
EM
On the 49th
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni and Dr.
Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni
na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Kyaggwe
Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 7:23 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: {UAH} IT IS TIME UGANDANS EMBRACE UNITARIM IN SHEER EARNEST
EM should we condemn all Nubian/Kakwa (your tribesmen) for Amin's
atrocities?
I'm sure there are as men god Nubian as there are good Acholi. What do you
think?
On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 6:33 PM, chaka Jay <[email protected]> wrote:
> Aliga:
> I bet you are from West-Nile, but my point is that most Ugandans look
> the atrocities in Uganda in a tribal eye. That is why I said that
> since the independence of Uganda, people where killed in different
> regions yet we only remember or we point the ones from our own tribe.
> If you read my posting, what I am saying is that we must point out
> those who are guilty regardless of where they are from and what tribe
> they come from. I believe that is what EM was point out, and I concur with
that.
>
> -Chaka
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 5:49 PM, Aliga Charles
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> Chaka,
>
> Then what do you called those who killed Acholi and Langi for 9 good
> years during Amin's regime? Whey is it that, the one you claim Acholi
> did is worst than the one they did to Acholi and Langi for 9 years? Do
> you even know that, elders from the two region met in Gulu and iron
> out this issue long time ago?
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 13:57:25 -0800
> From: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: {UAH} IT IS TIME UGANDANS EMBRACE UNITARIM IN SHEER
> EARNEST
> To: [email protected]
> CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
>
>
> Odong!
> You must be kidding! What EM said has complete validity, why because,
> the very Acholis, where in Ombaci mission, Moyo Mission and they
> killed and killed. You don't need to have a court of law albeit Ugandan
court of Law.
> This are the facts even though you try to insinuate that because those
> Acholis where not brought to court means they are not guilty. I
> believe that is the point EM is making to you.
>
> Ugandans are just funny (let me use that word figuratively), look at
> history of Uganda, one tribe kills, their kinsmen support them et al
> Obote, Amin, M7 etc. This is why I believe you are supporting the bad
> Acholis (of course not all Acholis are bad). I blind support becasue you
are from Acholi area.
>
> -Chaka
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 1, 2014 4:02 PM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa
> <[email protected]> wrote:
> Aliga Charles
>
> In all years I have been in these forums, you will have a very hard
> time finding a statement I have made and fail to back it up. What
> actually happens is that I make these statements I get attacked and
> when they come true, the attackers perish, and Barrack Obama
> presidency failure is very classic. And in good faith I am responding
> due to a sentence you have made that I think it is worth responding to
> and I hereby directly quote you . I do not know which court has provened
to EM that, Acholi, Tito Okello and
> those he mentioned here are guilty. End quote. I have not indicated
> anywhere that the people I am mentioning are guilty, that is your
> personal and private illusion. What I have stated is places, dates and
> names where Acholis murdered Ugandans. And I stand today to state that
> any time and any day the crime organization of Museveni running Uganda
> under the backing of Acholis falls, I will personally fly myself into
> Uganda and repeat the very same accusations under oath. If Ugandans
> stand up and state that Kireka barracks under Captain Otto was not the
> worst killing barracks I will accept that, if Ugandans today stand up
> and state that prisoners were not blown up in Tororo by Tito Okello I
> will accept that. If Ugandans state that the Acholis never obliterated
> Ombachi town and Nyerere actually never refused Acholis to go to Arua
> I will accept that. If Ugandans stand and state that Langis were never
> targeted by Acholis during Tito Okelo Olara Otunu government I will accept
that too.
>
> We need a leadership in Uganda free from Museveni with his Acholi
> backers so that we can have this information put out publicly and
> freely, so you are too early to question for the court. And with all
> due respect I know you need Acholis investigated by George Okello as
> always. A man that never saw a single Langi murdered by Acholis. Dont
> dare think I have time let alone innuendo of going into a public forum
> and post out of interest, I have better things to do with my time.
>
> Strange days indeed !!!!!!
>
> EM
> On the 49th
>
>
> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni and
> Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri
> Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
>
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aliga Charles
> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 12:41 PM
> To: uganda forum
> Subject: RE: {UAH} IT IS TIME UGANDANS EMBRACE UNITARIM IN SHEER
> EARNEST
>
> Odong,
>
> Why waste your time with EM. When Acholis and the Tito Okellos, were
> doing what he (EM) is ranting here, he was there to help them. He was
> part of or an accomplice to the act. May be, he was promissed
> something the Acholis, but failed to get, otherwise, his hate towards
> his enemies (Acholis) is difficult to comprehend.
>
> Another reason may be, he wanted something from Acholiland but failed
> to get. This, made him hate Acholi even more. There is a saying that,
> one is innocent, unless proven by competent court. I do not know which
> court has provened to EM that, Acholi, Tito Okello and those he
> mentioned here are guilty. There is also another saying that, "The
> guilties are afraid". i hope its not that, that is desturbing EM.
>
> Otherwise, ranting here with peoples name without court proof, is
stupitity.
> The late Amin, Obote were also accussed, yet no one went to court to
> proof it. I am not deffending them, but we ugandans should avoid
> hearsay without court proof. This is what have killed our country. We
> like listening and entertaining rumours than the truth.
> ________________________________
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
> Subject: {UAH} IT IS TIME UGANDANS EMBRACE UNITARIM IN SHEER EARNEST
> Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 09:41:47 -0500
> Akim Odong
>
> Instead of rumbling and making no sense, I suggest you read John
> Donne's
> poems: "No Man is an Island" meaning humans do not thrive in isolation
> from others. In your mind, once you have attained federalism, you have
> solved Uganda's problem. To see anyone in this day and age reasoning
> the way you do is frightening to say the least. If Acholi land is a
> paradise, self sustained and does not need anybody, why don't you
> simply load yourselves on a truck and head back to Gulu and live happy
> ever in your federalism? I thought you packed the trucks and abandoned
> Kampala for Gulu with Tito Okello at one time, why came back? Oh
> before I forget, while still at the Acholis being murderers, do you
> know that Gen. Tito Okello on return from Tanzania while in Tororo,
> decided to shoot and kill several prisoners saying he needed to let
> one off his chest? Again these are signs of a people I have a problem
> with all long, for Acholis simply find themselves into locations where
> they murder Ugandans amass. Up to today no one knows exactly how many
prisoners Tito Okello murdered that day.
>
> Declaring Uganda a federal country will not make you safe or for that
> matter any Ugandan. It is the crimes committed that needs to be
> accounted for, not making Betty Kamya Premier of Buganda and Odong Premier
of Acholi.
>
> EM
> On the 49th
>
> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni and
> Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri
> Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
>
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of akim odong
> Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 2:27 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: {UAH} IT IS TIME UGANDANS EMBRACE UNITARIM IN SHEER
> EARNEST
>
> Mulindwa;
>
>
> Its good to know that the prominent Acholi physician in your city does
> not sleep rough or on the street as reported by that fake Journalist
> with a big nose. That aside, you have to realise that being born in a
> tribe does not automatically make you responsible for the same. To
> some, that realisation or responsibility, comes much later; while
> others begin early and abandon the responsibility at a later stage. So
> its fallacy to hold the action of one individual against a whole
> tribe. By the by, there are alot of Acholis serving in Musevenis Gov't
> even within the district, its the government that employs them,so they
> are no different from the ambassador. The fact remains that you failed
> to persuade the Canadian Gov't about the dictatorship in Uganda,
> because you dwelt on a single item, that of Acholi suffering and
> northern instability, no wonder alot of Southerners used that to
> escape from the grinding poverty under the failed regime. Many married
northerners to save their skin.
>
> Mr Mulindwa, i did not mention Nubian anywhere in my post, but since
> you suggest so, no one holds Nubians responsible during Idi Amins time
> but individual of Nubian heritage. The reason why they did is because
> of the power the president had and abused, by involving all Nubians in
> his goverment, except my granny from Patiko of a Nubian heritage and
> spoke the language like its done at the roots, and not like in Bombo
> or Kibera and Eastliegh slums of Nairobi. So there is nothing new
> about Nubian that you can teach me with.
>
> The one thing i want you to take from this piece, and i hope you will
> take in like a man, is that monopoly of power/atrocity can only mean
> trouble for the future. The Acholi say ni "ker to" loosely meaning,
ruler-ship is death.
> Once you climb on that mantle, you invite death. Unfortunately, in
> Uganda's case, it still involves a whole tribe as experienced by the
> WestNilers and Nubians the Acholi and Lango and soon to be, the west
> who Ugandans will be gunning for. The time will come and they will rue
> the day they decided to take over power, and so another St Lwanga
> casaulty. That is the nature of things. Museveni knows that but power,
> selfishness and ego blinds one to the point of death.
>
> I, Akim and federalist comrades are saying this cycle of whole tribes
> or region paying/regretting for one of theirs going into leadership,
> must end with the individual and not the tribe. This should end. Let
> this mindless primitive act end with the Acholi let us be the bearer
> of the scar for we the Acholi are resilient and we will wake up
> stronger like we have done and nothing will put us down. That is why
> we want federalism to create that buffer between the president and his
> tribe. We want federalism to strip the presidency of its power by
> transferring it to the regions; we want federalism to empower the
> voters to determine their development and involvement in the admin of
> their region and not some diktat from the statehouse. And so it's
> federalism that will save the next tribe from buggery, death and
> annihilation, because it will not allow the president to appoint his wife
son, granny and the whole kraal in position of authority.
> Get that?
>
> Happy New year to you!
>
> Akim
>
>
> Akim
>
> On Wed, Jan 1, 2014 at 12:55 AM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa
> <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> Akim Odong
>
> And yes, you are absolutely right, there are Acholis everywhere. Even
> here in Toronto they are tons of them. One very prominent one and a
> physician for that matter in this city , who is very publicly known to
> collaborate with Salim Saleh and has bought a few condos for himself
> and Salim Saleh for rent, probably using part of money Saleh stole
> from Uganda. The previous Ugandan High Commissioner to Canada was an
> Acholi as well, which made it so difficult to discuss atrocities being
> committed in Acholi land by NRM. Canadians would say, an Acholi is
> Museveni's representative here, how can he turn around and torture the
same people representing him outside?
>
> And by the way, whether I am a Nubian or not, I get a feeling, based
> on the way you use the term "Nubian" that you think they are animals.
> It is clear to you that once someone is identified as a Nubian,
> automatically, we must distance ourselves from them. No wonder you
> destroyed their empty houses in
> 1979 when you returned from exile. It is a shame, why destroy nicely
> built houses, something you could have used. You did not stop there,
> you destroyed schools such as St. Charles Lwanga College Koboko. And
> yet you call yourselves civilized and very educated.
>
> Akim why were we born in very strange days ? One can
but
> ponder !!!!!
>
> EM
> On the 49th
>
>
> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni and
> Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri
> Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
>
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of akim odong
> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 3:56 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: {UAH} IT IS TIME UGANDANS EMBRACE UNITARIM IN SHEER
> EARNEST
>
> Mulindwa;
>
> If its a murder by an Acholi, its murder most foul, if its done by
> your uncle, its hooray! Tough luck cry baby. Even in Canada where you
> live they are Acholis. Try going to the moon, but i will not guarantee
> you that you wont find one. Even your uncle could not do without one.
>
> Akim
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 8:22 PM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa
> <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> Ugandans
>
> For in as much as we have lost people in our country, for in as much
> as we have so many both known and un known mass graves let alone
> individual graves, there are some very specific incidentals that pin
> my interest into Acholis. And I am going to be really slow for I need
> to be clearly understood.
>
> As much as we have people like Samson Mande that we know attacked a
> bank branch in Kabale and killed people for he was stealing the
> currency from the branch, the only people we keep on getting stationed
> in a single location that was killing Ugandans is under the authority
> of an Acholi. And I am submitting to you Kireka barracks a barracks
> that murdered so many people under AMO2 government. So you have an
> army barracks structured out to be an army band barracks but an Acholi
> commander turns it into a tyranny where massive Ugandans get
> butchered. We know the location of the barracks, we know the name of
> the commander and we know it was a killing center. And if you are in
> Uganda today, kindly drive to Kireka trading center and ask anyone who
> was in Kireka during AMO 2 government about a name Captain Otto, dont
> give any information than the name Capt. Otto, look in the eyes of
> that individual and see what you will get out. When you look on the
> people that died in Luwero war, there are specific locations we know
> where people were being murdered and the commanders of those locations
> were again Acholis. A good example is the Nakaseke Road as it starts
> from Gulu road, if you drive about a kilometer inside Nakaseke road
> you will see a forest and that forest was used as a dumping ground of
> our people. There are Ugandans that used to go to that area to bury
> the dumped up people for a commander of the mobile unit that was
> coming from Bombo barracks was dumping the bodies at that location, with
time I am going to post his name let alone rank. What is concerning me here
is that he too was an Acholi.
>
> When you look at all deaths in Uganda closely you will realize that
> there is no single Acholi that has ever been investigated for killing
> Ugandans. None and you do not have a name. Even though they carried
> the command and structure, even though they owned barrackses where we
> can raise up and pin point the names of the commanders as in case of
> Kireka barracks, there is no single Acholi that we know in our entire
> national history that has ever been investigated for murdering
> Ugandans. But it gets more interesting. All investigations about killing
Ugandans investigated has been done by Acholis.
> They are either a leading party or the witnesses or they are the
> people with the details of who killed who, so somehow they end up
> within the hemisphere of holding such vital information about the
> deaths of our people only that they never cross the line of being
investigated.
>
> It was very interesting for me to know that George Okello was the
> investigator of the deaths of our people in Luwero district, an
> investigation he never produced a report and an investigation we have
> no idea who authorized, but he carried out an investigation on the
> death of our people in Luwero. But further to this point, in all
> things that George Okello did in Uganda, he failed to investigate the
> murder of Ugandans in Kireka barracks a murder that was very public.
> Seventh Day Adventist Church headquarters in Kireka, decided to move
> its offices to Najjanankumbi due to a massive stench we had in Kireka
> trading center emanating from the barracks where people were being
> brutally murdered, and George Okello did not investigate that but
> decided to drive all way to Luwero district to investigate who killed
> the people in Luwero. The difference here is that Kireka barracks was
> commanded by an Acholi. If you need to know the history of Kireka
> barracks walk to the Seventh Day Adventist Church headquarters and ask
them about the barracks while under command of an Acholi.
>
> It also gets very interesting how they are number one in preaching
> democracy and public policy and human rights recognition, but no
> Acholi will ever stand in front of you and speak in specifics, they
> speak in generalities, we need to do this and all of us, we have no
> one dead, and no one responsible for killing them. Acholis are the
> best supporters of federalism. Acholis are the best supporters of
> reconciliation. Acholis are the only people that do not believe that
> any Ugandan has ever been murdered. Oh and they have this spring break
> where people like Ogole can stand up to become a tick to every one
> jumping off The Movement. When you knock on Tinyefunza s door today you
will soon realize that Ogole Is the very new concierge.
>
> When you stand up to call on Ugandans or any one murdered in these
> countries the very first person to go after you is an Acholi, nope
> there was no one dead in Luwero. Nope there was no one dead in the
> camps. I actually have been with an Acholi as an ambassador in this
> very country who swears that nope no one has ever been murdered by NRM
> let alone this government. When you stand up and state that actually
> Nelson Mandela was a killer for we have very many South Africans that
> died on the hand of him, an Acholi, I will stand up and with a plain
> face state that Nelson Mandela was never a killer and there is no
> black or white that ever go murdered in South Africa. To Acholis, ANC
> was an organization of Mother Teresa. And the moment you raise up to
> state that ANC is a terrorist organization and it killed people,
> Acholis suck you up dry for you re not that informed and you need to
> be unsubscribed from UAH. Acholis are pleading for Uganda to change
> out of uniterism, a system that has kept all of us alive, to a federal
state, where they will hold a political authority in Gulu.
>
> Vote, but very wisely.
>
> EM
> On the 49th
>
> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni and
> Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri
> Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
>
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of George Okello
> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 6:54 AM
> To: ugandans-at-heart
> Subject: Re: {UAH} IT IS TIME UGANDANS EMBRACE UNITARIM IN SHEER
> EARNEST
>
>
> Mr Rajab Ali,
>
> All you write is puerile and nonsense and I won't even go into it in
> any detail. Here you state:
>
>
> " All your posts have been preserved for posterity, among which is
> your private e-mail to me concerning the late Tito Okello."
>
> I have never sent any private e-mail to you. I am not that stupid. Why
> on earth would I communicate with you privately?
>
> As for the particular email you write about, you are free to distort
> it whichever way you want.Without my permission, Abbey Semuwamba
> posted this email on Facebook, and as far as I saw, it attracted a
> lot of debate on that forum and has subsequently spread to other fora
> as well. I have been shocked to be alerted by people that this email
> was being debated in fora that I never thought it would reach. It has
> atttracted one of the biggest debates that UAH has had. One particular
> person has threatened to take Semuwamba to court because of heated
> comments made, following the publication of my email. I therefore have
> no reason to feel ashamed of an email that has generated such a level
> of debate, both inside and outside of the UAH forum. Very few
> political opinions posted here on UAH have attract such a level of
> controversy, and as far as I can recall, none of your postings have
> caused even a whimper- they are are just damp quid if I were to be honest
with you.
>
> My conclusion therefore is this, if you have very strong views about
> this email, why did you not join the debate on Facebook instead of
> cowardly introducing it here where many people who have not actually
> read it may be nuanced or shocked to believe your rendition of it.
> This is the danger I warned Semuwamba about, the danger of allowing
> Mulindwa to copy debates he is having on other fora to UAH because a
> word or a sentence taken out of context can mean different things to
different people.
>
> Your wailings about me are just that- loquacious blabber of a fool.
>
> Just shut up.
>
>
> George Okello
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 10:36 PM, Rajab Ali <[email protected]> wrote:
> Ojame George Okello!
>
> I was hoping you would reveal that you had carried out a similar
> investigation of Rajab Ali. Since you bracket me with EM in respect
> with almost all the crimes you have charged him with, I find it
> amazing that you have let my case to pass and only advised people to
> ignore my posts. Any explanation?
>
> I also find it amazing that you have not reported me to the police
> over my alleged support for/sympathy with al-Shabaab and other
> terrorists. Whatever I have written on this subject is an open book.
> If you think that I have in any way crossed the legal limits, why
> don't you call in the Police to carry out an investigation of my
> activities and possible relations with the terrorists? That way, you
> would easily have me done away with. Simply put, I challenge you to do
that.
>
> Whatever questions I posed about Dokolo and the Acholis arose from
> what EM wrote. It is no crime to seek clarification on statements made by
others.
>
> Any other comments I have made about Acholi and Lango arose directly
> from the information which you yourself posted on UAH. You foolishly
> claimed then that you instigated a purging of all the so-called
> uneducated Acholis in the army because, according to you, they were
> committing crimes in the city and giving the government a bad name.
> You revealed here how you met your fellow tribesman, the late Oyite
> Ojok, in a hotel in Lira over this issue and that you advised him to
> get rid of the late Bazilio Okello, an Acholi. When I asked you to
> clarify what you meant by that, you replied and stated that you
> wouldn't mind if he got "eliminated." You also revealed how you wrote
> a letter to the then President - another tribesman of yours - asking
> him to purge the army of the "uneducated" Acholis. All your posts have
> been preserved for posterity, among which is your private e-mail to me
concerning the late Tito Okello.
>
> You boastfully wrote all this thinking that you were scoring marks,
> little knowing that it would come back to haunt you. As is your wont,
> you took everyone here to be stupid thinking that no one would take
> note of it. It's this information that I have always freely tapped in,
> not to drive any wedge between the two tribes, but to illustrate your
foolishness and recklessness.
> You hypocritically condemn violence when, according to your own
> stories, you are violence personified! Only recently, you openly
threatened my life.
>
> You accuse me of "keeping on digging up this tired tale of so-called
> hatred between Acholi and Lango," but nothing can be further from the
> truth. I have only always written about your esteemed role in
> harassing Acholi soldiers, as you boasted, and I have always been very
> careful not to turn it into an Acholi-Lango thing. Only yesterday, I
> illustrated a point using this very information of yours and I clearly
> exonerated the people of Lango and the UPC party of any wrong which a
> few of you may have perpetrated against the Acholi soldiers.
>
> While you occupy yourself with investigating EM, or Rajab Ali, or any
> other person for that matter, take it from me that you too will one
> day be investigated. You would wish this story to go away but it
> simply isn't about to. You may instigate people to avoid reading my
> posts because of that, but you would be stupid to think that you can run
away from this.
>
> Mimi na wewe, George Okello! Mimi na wewe.
>
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 30 Dec 2013, at 17:07, akim odong <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> Mr George Okello;
>
> Thank you for that manly advice. I think Mulindwa needs to change his
ways.
> Being born anywhere is not reason enough to behave in unreasonable. I
> have in life seen and met worse people, the sort you would never
> believe was born of a human leave alone a woman. Mulindwa would
> therefore scare nothing of me, but mannerism, etiquette and respect
> demands certain norm and for that reason alone i shall heed your
> advice. I will therefore engage with him on matters to do with federal
> only, because it is a cause for which if needs be, am prepared to die for.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 4:11 PM, George Okello <[email protected]> wrote:
> Charles Aliga/Akim Odong,
>
> I would not advice you to continue to encourage Edward Mulindwa's and
> Rajab Ali's stupid rantings about Lango and Acholi. Long ago, Bobby
> Musoke and John Kwitonda advised the best way to treat the likes of
> Mulindwa is to ignore them. Mulindwa used to write very vitriolic
> statements about the baganda, and at first many were outraged but
> having learnt his ways, they have decided to ignore him. As you will
> notice, the baganda no longer comment on anything Mulindwa writes,
> whether he is abusing their Kabaka or not.
>
> Mulindwa and Rajab Ali keep on digging up this tired tale of so-called
> hatred between Lango and Acholi, and I think the longer you keep on
> engaging them in debate, the more sillier you will look. There is
> nothing more the two enjoy than dragging their intellectual and better
> gifted opponents into the gutter so that you look the same as them.
> The two have nasty beliefs and ideas which they try to camouflage and
> hide here on UAH but what comes out clearly as the glue that unites
> them is their common admiration of the fascist dictator Idi Amin.
> Needless to say, they are also both avid supporters, and I suspect
> fully paid up members of the NRA juggernaut that has terrorised Ugandans
for the last 30 years.
>
> Mulindwa does not know where Dokolo is, yet he claims the people who
> come from there are "cannibbals". He claims I am an Acholi who has a
> record of killing Langi and plan to continue to do so. He once claimed
> here that Kassim Obura, the notorious hangman under Idi Amin regime is
> an Acholi. He insisted on this lie even as I pointed out to him that
> the late Obura was born in Amolatar, less than 15 miles from my own
village in Dokolo.
>
> During this debate, Mulindwa claimed all the Langi were very happy
> under the dictator Idi Amin, that all of the killings attributed to Idi
Amin are lies.
> He went on to state the NRA were recived in Lira as liberators, this
> is the same NRA that had murdered my sister in Dokolo on their way to
Lira.
>
> All these lies forced me to make an inquiry about Mulindwa, so as to
> expose him for what he is. Both he and Rajab Ali are neo-fascists;
> witness their strong support for the murderous activities of Al
> Shabbab in Nairobi recently. On every occassion when atrocities are
> carried out by islamic terrorists, the two are quick to blame their
> victims. You never hear them lay a finger on these terrorists.
>
> The information I have gathered on Mulindwa so far indicates the
following:
>
> 1. He is a Nubian. His claims to be a muganda are false. he only grew
> up in Buganda, at the most all he had was a muganda mother with a
> Nubian man. He is very embittered about his Buganda upbringing as he
> has been brought up to deny his Nubian background. This denial has
> caused serious psychological defects in him, which you can see
> expressed here everyday, especially his hatred of the rabid hatred of
thebaganda.
> 2. Mulindwa was a serving officer in the State Research Bureau of Idi
> Amin during the period 1975-1979. I am still investigating possible
> crimes he must have committed during this period.
> 3. After the overthrow of Idi Amin, Mulindwa became a petty criminal
> or muyaye in Kampala, mainly engaged in petty crimes, car-jackings
> etc, He was well known to the police at this time.
> 4. Mulindwa run away from Uganda via Kenya and was granted political
> asylum in Canada. There he wrote several newspaper articles about how
> he was tortured under the UPC government. He narratted his tale of
> having been locked up in Makindye, how he escaped and mysteriously turned
up in Nairobi.
> 5. My interest in Mulindwa was aroused by the fact that he seemed to
> always be in praise of the UPC party and specifically President Obote,
> a party whose government he claims tortured him to an extent he had to
> crawl over dead bodies in order to escape from Makindye. I found this
> tale of his difficult to believe.
> 6. I have since been trying to discover if Mulindwa committed crimes
> under the Amin regime in the period 1975-1979. When I worked at the
> Attorney-General's office, I was attached to a unit in the DPP's
> office that prosecuted the crimes committed by members of the Amin
> regime. I therefore had access to the files of all these criminals,
> files from the police as well as from the intelligence services. Many
> of these criminals were prosecuted, but a good many escaped. I am now
> led to seriously believe Mulindwa is one of those who escaped and this
> is why I have decided to start investigating him afresh, despite the
handicaps.
> 6. Most of the files in the DPP's office of the period of the Amin
> dictatorship have been put into cold storage and therefore difficult
> to access. In fact some of the files that we kept of the crimes
> committed by the NRA nandits, including Museveni, all disappeared
> after they took over power, but the ones that pre-date 1986 I am told are
still in existence.
> 7. I am doing a human rights research project for a publication on the
> subject of legal impunity, comparing the periods 1971-1979 to the
> periods 1986-2006. Through this research, I am hoping to uncover
> details of Edward Mulindwa in these files if I can get access to them.
>
> You two may therefiore decide to continue with so-called debate with
> Mulindwa, but personally I see no point because you are just wasting
> your time. Any bdoy who attacks Museveni is an enemy to Mulindwa or Rajab
Ali.
>
> George Okello
> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 3:30 PM, akim odong <[email protected]> wrote:
> EM;
>
> In the past and a more automous era of provinces and governors, not
> your uncles LC1 and sujui RDC; we had a "dakta Lengo" who along with
> the Ssaza chief and Rwot Kweri over saw the cleanliness of a
> homestead. How better still if we are fully fledged federal!
> Don't give excuse for your weakness. Friend, you're on you're own!
>
> On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 9:21 AM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa
> <[email protected]>
> wrote:
> Friends
>
> Being dirty is a Uganda culture it has nothing to do with unitarism
> let alone Federalism, if you have travelled in poor countries as I so
> have done you will realize that Ugandans are naturally dirty society.
> And to understand how Ugandans are dirty you need to only go into
> their homes. The government does not direct any one to be clean he/she
> directs him/herself for that is his/her domicile. When we fail to be
> clean in our homes it does not matter what government kind we have, so
> it becomes very irresponsible to state that when we get Federalism we will
start to brush our teeth.
>
> Drop the nonsense people.
>
> EM
> On the 49th
>
>
> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni and
> Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri
> Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
>
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of akim odong
> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 2:41 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [UGANDACOM] RE: {UAH} IT IS TIME UGANDANS EMBRACE
> UNITARIM IN SHEER EARNEST
>
> Rajab Ali;
>
> Dokolo is a beautiful part of Lango and it has produced more leaders
> than Mengo has produced Kabakas. It has a high if not the highest
> number of intermarriages between Langi and Acholi, not to forget a famous
Muganda too.
> So it represents modern mentality compared to the less integrated
> areas of Uganda, where marriage outside the family is still frowned
> over like where Mulindwa comes from.
>
> Akim
>
> On Sun, Dec 29, 2013 at 10:20 PM, Rajab Ali <[email protected]> wrote:
> EM! I don't mean to interrupt the flow of the debate, but can you
> kindly answer these questions which arise from some of the statements
> you have just
> made:
>
> Are the people of Dokolo cannibals? Is Dokolo part of Acholi or Lango?
> Do you really mean to say that the Acholi people are uncivilised?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 29 Dec 2013, at 16:03, "Herrn Edward Mulindwa" <[email protected]>
wrote:
>
>
> My dear friend Aliga Charles.
>
> Raise up from that path for it will take us nowhere. And Africans by
> large must stop to blame the politicians and start to blame
> themselves. Look my friend, there is no country anywhere in the world
> where a politician builds a democratic structure. When you look
> closely at a country like Canada, there is no dictator like the leader
> in Ottawa. He wants everything taken away from us, he wants us to
> register our DNA samples and hand them to the Police. He wants us to
> register our guns. He wants us to register our phone numbers. If you
> go to countries like Sweden, every bodys name is listed on a God damn
> door, even a baby of 2 days. So you walk on streets and enter a house
> and any house reading on doors to know who lives exactly where. Phone
> numbers in Sweden are got by throwing a name into Google. Even a cell
> number you have in a home if your name is thrown into Google it shows up.
What kind of crap is that?
>
> So I turn around and say that we have a huge war in this country, we
> the people demand a right to our privacy, if a Police Officer stops me
> and wants to see what is inside my trunk I need a search warrant
> signed by a God damn judge. Now we start to rumble with Ottawa and the
> courts until when the court says yup the rights must be preserved. The
> population of Sweden never fought that war, they handed all authority
> to their government in a lie to It is to your safety But come to
> think about this, if you have a real bitter husband and he does not
> know where his estranged wife lives, how do you protect her when the
> names are on the door? That is the stupidity of The Swedies and I have
condemned it publicly already.
>
> I am coming back to Uganda. If Ugandans want democracy they must make
> their needs clear to those leading them, and you can call Museveni a
> dictator all you want but when the population stood up in support of
> Namanve he backed off. Why dont they stand up for democratic
> principles? Because themselves within themselves, Ugandas are
> killers. Baganda wants as many Northerners dead and if Museveni uses
> his office to murder them, Baganda go in and give him a hand. The
> Samson Mandes were hacking people in firkin day light. Not Museveni
> but Samson Mande under a straight directive from Mugisha Muntonyera
> and Tinyefunza. I want a day when Museveni sends out Samson Mande to
> kill Ugandans, and Mande refuses to obey that order. I need that
> arrested Ugandan in Luzira for he refused to murder Ugandans, and I
> simply dont have him/her. When you are a leader and you have a
> population that will kill each other to maintain you being in power
> even if youre in White House, you will smoke a cigar. Look at South
> Sudan, do you have yet a single Sudanese refusing to murder the
> people? No all of them are bloody thirsty and marching from town to
> town murdering people, I just spoke to my contact in Juba Edward it
> is firkin bloody here Those were her last words on the phone. How
> will these people turn around and demand for democracy from the
> leaders sir? Yes we have bad leaders but those bad leaders are feeding
exactly on the bloody thirsty population that is why this saga never sees an
end.
>
> What Betty Kamya is trying to do is to get the power out of State
> House, and hand it over to these cannibals out of Dokolo, and that
> will empower them to murder all Langis in expectation of taking over
> Lira and Kamuding. Now we can walk that trip and allow all Langis to
> die, but remember that next in line will be Acholis killing other
> Acholis for the killing is embedded into most of un civilized people.
> Leave the powers into Kampala and take away any powers these bloody
> suckers have and hand it to Kampala too. When Baganda went to The
> North the UN report was stating that we were losing 126 people a day
> in those camps. Was Museveni killing them? No Baganda and Banyankole
> were killing them, for to them they were Badugudugu. AMO died and they
> brought a Dog as a heir, who does that in this generation? And
> actually when you look closely at our history, what AMO did in Uganda
> was close to what Mutesa did in Uganda, Can I bring a God damn Dog as
> a heir to Mutesa 2, to Constitutional Square? No because Mutesa is a
Muganda man but AMO a Mudokolo.
>
> And you want to hand political powers to such bloody sucker brains?
> Give me a God damn break !!!!!
>
> EM
> On the 49th
>
> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni and
> Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri
> Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
>
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aliga Charles
> Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 10:32 AM
> To: uganda forum
> Subject: RE: {UAH} IT IS TIME UGANDANS EMBRACE UNITARIM IN SHEER
> EARNEST
>
> EM,
>
> The ordinary people, be it Acholi, Langi or Baganda in Uganda, not
> even Kikuyu or Luo in Kenya would want to even think of killing those
> they se as not their tribes. Its politicians, who, due to their
> selfish political interest, poison the hearts and minds of one tribe
> against another. That is why uganda, has never been peacefull like
> other African countries since. The day, politicians in uganda start to
> speak the truth, then ugandan will have peace.
>
> EM, let me tell you some thing. Last week, I read an article in the
> Observer (Uganda newspaper). The article was quoting what the late Sam
> Njuba wrote in his book (The betrayel). He (Njuba) blame the west for
> supporting late AMO by declaring that the 1980 election was free and
> fair. To him, the 1980 electio was rigged despite not court verdict.
> Njuba, according to the article, was a lawyer by proffession. This, he
> should have know the important of "court" more than anybody else. But
> instead, he, abused his qualification and proffession by jumping to
> the bush with M7 to settle his (election rigging) claim by the burrel
> of the gun. Is this not madness, when an educated ugandans, a lawyer
> refused to use his legal knowledge to solve the issue in place instead
> of murdering innocent ugandans in the bushes of Luweero? He abussed
> the tax payers money us by the government then to send him to study
abroad, comeback and help ugandans on legal matters.
>
> This shows to you how politicians can confused the ordinary masses
> just because of their ignorance.
> ________________________________
> From: [email protected]
> To: [email protected]
> CC: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]
> Subject: RE: {UAH} IT IS TIME UGANDANS EMBRACE UNITARIM IN SHEER
> EARNEST
> Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2013 08:40:29 -0500
> Aliga Charles
>
> You know we can play these games all our lives, but when the shit hits
> the fan, it is The Hutu that dies in genocide not a Tutsi, it is a
> Hutu hunted down in DRC and not a Tutsi. When camping people arrives
> in The North it is Langis and Acholis camped not Baganda. If such
> atrocities are delivered tribally may be it is time to discuss their cause
tribally. Just a may be.
> And by the way, what the Kenyans are doing is a very terrible thing
> for it is not to look for justice it is about vindictiveness and
> hunting down any alive Kikuyu. Yes we can stand up here and praise it
> but Kenya is sitting on a very expanded balloon and one of those days,
> a total break out between The Kikuyus and Luo is going to take place in
Kenya and many are going to die.
> And wherever you will be you will remember those words when the mass
> graves have started to pop up in Kenya. All that is required in that
> nightmare is the Luo to push the Kikuyus just a little harder and the
> rest will be self-reveling as Juba is.
>
> For now we can continue to leave the shit under the garbage for we any
> way end up getting the mushrooms out of it.
>
> EM
> On the 49th
>
> Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni and
> Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
> Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri
> Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
>
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Aliga Charles
> Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 7:36 AM
> To: uganda forum
> Subject: RE: {UAH} IT IS TIME UGANDANS EMBRACE UNITARIM IN SHEER
> EARNEST
>
> EM,
>
> I am sorry that, you read my writing five times and got confused. But
> in short, I said, blame the culprit but not the whole tribe. This, I
> mean, not all Acholi as a tribe committed the crime(s) you accused the
> son(s) of. Not all Baganda committed the crime(s) are accussed of.
>
> Its that different, that you failed to comprehend. Lumping a whole
> tribe the way you did and is still doing is dangerous for peace, unity
> and development of our country uganda. I do support the Kenyans was of
> handling their problem because they, Kenyan did not target a whole
> tribe the way you are doing here, calling the name of Acholi as a tribe
against Langi as a tribe.
> Trying to create hatred against each other.
>
> EM, Baganda as a tribe in buganda land did not kill Acholi. It was
> their sons who were in FEDEMO and NRA who did that. That does not
> mean, all baganda must be blamed and purnished. Its, those who
> committed those crime that should be brought to justice the way Kenyan
> did. When you mentioned the name of Ojukwu, he is an individual who
> should face the consequences of his dids, not the whole of his tribe
> (Acholi). This is where most ugandan politicians have failed. Again,
> the action of Kalevu, a muganda, should not be the sin of all baganda.
> He is the one to carry his cross alone. If the killing in Luweero is
> justified to you, to me its was not and is not. This, because, not
> only UNLA killed people in Luweero. There are many UPC supporters who
> were killed by NRA. Those people were innocent, they exercised their
> God given rights and freedom to support UPC. They exercised their
> constitutional right to support UPC, but to NRA, they became criminal who
deserved to be eliminated from Luweero area.
>
> About Tingyefunza and Samson Mande, its ugandans who feel they wronged
> them that should be given the right to take them to court when the time
comes.
> Its useless to rant here in this forum as if there is alread court
> verdict that, they have committed the crime.
>
> EM, the person who brought sake home, and the one who after seeing
> what the sanke is doing to its children try to stop the killing of his
> children by negotiating with the snake brought by some body. Who is
> worst? Baganda brought Tutsi as you have said, are they better than
> Acholi who you accused of selling the country to M7. Yet Baganda had
> already sold the country by supporting their rebellion.
>
> The rest of you writings I have no comment for it b
>
>
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