Ocen Nekyon
Nope they are not democratic countries because unlike what many of these
simplistic people think, Federalism is actually not a vehicle to create
democracy it is an indication of a country that has matured democratically. So
in other words Federalism is an end product of democratic growth it does not
force people to be democratic. Again I am going back to Buganda as a classic
example, under a unitary system in Uganda, Buganda is having a lousy kingdom
without political authority. Unitary forces Baganda to live with Baluri and
Banyala, if you dare throw political authority in Mengo, Masaka is going to
split off and Bulemeezi is heading back to Bunyoro where it belonged to start
with. You will create such a carnage in Uganda that people like Nakawombe do
not want to address today. These people are crying for Federalism for it will
create positions for them to go in and eat.
What dictatorial country was changed to a democratic society thanks to
federalism?
EM
On the 49th
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
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Akim;
I have never said that M7 is the best leader and I never will. I think it is
quite simplistic to equate M7 with Unitary considering that he found it there.
Federo can be found in Northern and Southern Sudan, Somalia and Nigeria.
Please tell me how democratic those countries are?
Ocen
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Mr Ocen;
You do not see any compelling evidences that federalism is a better
alternative; what is a strong unitary state?
Mr, Anything and everything that Uganda is gone or going through, in my opinion
is because of the "strong unitary state" with one leg in the land of dictator
and another in the land of democracy. The leg in the land of democracy is the
mulema or disable one, while the other leg firmly in the land of dictator is
the strong one. This is all in the name of being powerful with all the impunity
it allows. Some of our leaders, go further by owning the ultimate power, the
army and the parliament. That is where the problem lies.
Now Mr Ocen, give me your compelling evidence that Museveni is the right leader
for Uganda today. He runs a strong unitary state, owns Kanyihura and his
colleagues, and also the parliament, not to mention the nationals. He uses the
constitution for God knows what. Is he the right guy, is the country in good
state?
Akim
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 8:36 PM, Ocen Nekyon <[email protected]> wrote:
Akim;
Please do not dare tempt me!:-)) Ndugu Robukui thinks my stand on 'Federo is
nuts!
Here is where I stand; I believe in a strong Unitary state. My reasons against
'Federo' are simply that I do not see any compelling evidence out there that
would convince me of its being a viable alternative.
Ocen
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Mr Ocen;
The tragedy is not what i support but failure on the part of Ugandans to think
critically. Most have abandon thinking to the well read, academicians and those
with guns. That is irresponsible and cowardice!
Mr Ocen, still, i have to thank you for following our thread, but i would even
be more pleased if you get involved. Your thoughts may guide mine. You never
know, you change my perspective on the matter. But before you do that, i would
want you to do some work out and shed the ounces of prejudice and
predetermination that you harbour. I have a feeling we could end up on the same
page.
Akim.
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 7:48 PM, Ocen Nekyon <[email protected]> wrote:
Akim;
The tragedy here is that you support 'Federo!' Otherwise you make a good case
for your stand.
Ocen
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Jessica Nakiwombe;
I am glad that the sort of attitude you have expressed, is not reflective of
UFA aims and objectives, and i am also glad you don't speak for the party.
Perhaps you speak for Ken Lukyamuzi or KY.
The objective of federalism is to reduce the power of the presidency first and
foremost secondly, to empower the citizenry.. Its nothing to do with Buganda or
Karamoja for that matter. Its therefore unhelpful if you suggest to non Baganda
to take the knowledge, wealth etc they have gained from Buganda, to their
homes. Personally, during my education in Kampala, and where non Bugandans are
marooned, i was taught wholly by non Baganda. The only exceptions were a Mrs
Ndaula and Mrs Kasibante., not sure whether those are Luganda name or Lusoga.
The other one of course, is Betty Kamya. This therefore means that all the
Baganda student who were in my class also had a similar experience. They were
not taught by a Muganda teacher. The so called knowledge you talk about was
imparted by non Baganda. After my education, i learnt my trade from elsewhere.
Rev Jessica, what i am trying to drive home is that federalism does need such
right wing extremism. But intellectual debates or sober mind and candor!
You should know that Kampala was built by monies from all over Uganda. Income
from coffee, tea, cotton sugar cane, taxes etc. Infact, until recently, most of
the buildings in Kampala belonged to Asians and whites. So you need to be very
careful when apportioning worth.
The day you will stop borrowing a name from the whites, is the day i will take
you seriously; because i don't know any Buganda clan where the name Jessica
originates. Talk of stealing from other people!
Akim
On Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 3:14 AM, Jessica Nakawombe <[email protected]> wrote:
Mr. Aliga,
Everyone comes to Buganda, makes home, gets rich or better financially, by hook
or crook, a few honest incomes, starts a family, children study there, they
stick there, they work there, they make business there, even you. So who is to
go and develop your own regions that are backward? You expect Baganda?
10 ‘I the Lord search the heart
and examine the mind,
to reward each person according to their conduct,
according to what their deeds deserve.’
11 Like a partridge that hatches eggs it did not lay
are those who gain riches by unjust means.
When their lives are half gone, their riches will desert them,
and in the end they will prove to be fools.
Jeremiah 17
You are not doing your own people any good by abandoning them for lights in
Kampala!
Why don't you get the "magezi" and take it back to your home? To your own
people?
They are also cursing you because you do not help them! You simply abandon
them?
After all, build a new city anywhere else and leave Kampala for Baganda to
develop it as we want. All intereference has mishaped Kampala, its is so dirty
for no one cares, no accountability, no transparency for those in power don't
care! They come for the good life and have second homes in thier original and
ancestral homes!!
Why the education if it does not help those who get it? Demand and supply?
Baganda sacrificed so much to build Kampala, Kabaka's city. Others just come to
be parasites, drain it, make it dirty and flee!
What responsibility is that?
Birina amaaso naye tebiraba! Birina amatu naye tebiwulira!!
"Tell them: 'Hear this, you foolish people who have no understanding, who have
eyes but do not discern, who have ears but do not perceive:..."
Jeremiah 5:21
Read the Good Book, the Holy Book, it has so much wisdom.
Buganda, Kampala does not need outsiders to develop it for they don't have it
at heart! Simple as that. Natural principles cannot be overrulled. For they
will always triumph.
FEDERO IS THE ONLY WAY.
ACCOUNTABILITY TO ONE'S OWN PEOPLE.
RESPONSIBILITY TO ONE'S OWN PEOPLE.
China built Shanghai to attract Western educated Chinese back home!
Koreans did it too!
Rev. Jessica
“Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous.
Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged, for the LORD your God will be with you
wherever you go.” (Joshua 1:9)
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Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2013 14:57:38 +0000
Rev. Jessica,
Fedralism is not different from Tribalism, how are you going to deal with that,
when uganda is divided along tribal line worst than in 1960s. To you, the peace
and development from 1962 to 65 was because of Kabaka Mutessa II yet he was not
alone, there were other leaders with whom, they made those peace and
development possible.
Today, uganda is a divided country, bringing Federalism will even make it
worst. Other wise, those fighting for Fedralsim are the one who are selfish and
greedy. They only want, to control what they have amassed during NRA/M rule,
from other ugandans to benefit from. The moment you declare fedralsim, no one
from out side buganda will be allowered or get a job in Kampala or buganda.
Yet, that is the capital city of uganda. It would be good to remove the capital
city of uganda from Kampala to a place where the people are not for Federalsim,
so that other ugandans can build their areas using unitary system while Buganda
is given Federo.
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South Sudan inherited federalism from the Sudan but Salver Kiir has been
undermining it by dismissing elected Governors and replace them with his
loyalists.
On Thu, Dec 26, 2013 at 9:51 PM, Robukui . <[email protected]> wrote:
Amen
On Dec 26, 2013 6:42 PM, "Jessica Nakawombe" <[email protected]> wrote:
Supporters of dictators will always shun Federo. They only want power for a few
while everyone else is an underdog. Selfishness is their order of the day.
Those who tasted Federo in Uganda 1962 to 1965 tell you how peace was reigning
under President Kabaka Muteesa II. How the Economy was. Just see the pictures
then and now in a so called Democracy and or Unitary Gov. Sectarianism since
1966. This/ Those tribe (s) or other! Greed is the order of the day! Murder in
the name of security!!! You name it!!!
FEDERO IS THE ONLY ANSWER.
SELF GOVT. OF REGIONS IS THE ONLY ANSWER.
DEVOLVEMENT OF GOVT. IS THE ONLY ANSWER.
ACCOUNTABILITY TO ONE'S OWN IS THE ONLY ANSWER.
DIVERSITY IN UNITY IS THE ONLY ANSWER.
Rev. Jessica
“Have I not commanded you? Be strong and courageous.
Do not be afraid; do not be discouraged, for the LORD your God will be with you
wherever you go.” (Joshua 1:9)
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PREESIDENT SALVER KIIR SHOULD BE INDICTED BY ICC FOR WAR CRIMES.
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