Ndawula
Why is Obote defined as a man that hates Baganda due to his attack of Lubiri
but The British that went after Buganda kingdom sending Kabaka to exile
several times never defined as people hating Buganda ever?
And I am going to leave that question as straight as that.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected]
Sent: Tuesday, February 18, 2014 8:21 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: {UAH} BAGANDA AND ACHOLIS HAVE NO MORAL RIGHT TO PREACH FOR
FEDERALSIM
Name calling doesn't make you smarter. The readers can judge who is an
idiot. Marrying a Muganda doesn't make Obote like Baganda. His actions
against Buganda are obvious. He loved his wife who happened to be a Muganda.
That does not translet into love for Buganda or Baganda. Actions speaks
louder than words.
This should be common sense.
H.N.
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From: Gwokto La'Kitgum <[email protected]>;
To: ugandans-at-heart <[email protected]>;
Subject: Re: {UAH} BAGANDA AND ACHOLIS HAVE NO MORAL RIGHT TO PREACH FOR
FEDERALSIM
Sent: Tue, Feb 18, 2014 4:46:27 AM
Like EM, Obote hated the Baganda
Only an idiot can say the above. The idiot who doesnt know Obote's only wife
was and still is a Muganda.
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Gwokto La'Kitgum
"Even a small dog can piss on a tall Building", Jim Hightower
<http://www.regainyourtime.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Monkey-Suit-Tablet
-300x1991.jpg>
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 10:00 PM, Ocen Nekyon <[email protected]
<javascript:return> > wrote:
Neriko;
Here has a funny way of pointing out who is greedy or not.
Ocen
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
From: Neriko Mubende
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2014 21:24
To: [email protected] <javascript:return>
Reply To: [email protected] <javascript:return>
Subject: Re: {UAH} BAGANDA AND ACHOLIS HAVE NO MORAL RIGHT TO PREACH FOR
FEDERALSIM
EM & Gwokto,
Ugandans still blame Obote because he is the pioneer who initiated the mess
and the shit into which Uganda is still submerged. He greedily and
forcefully abrogated the only constitution that was agreed on by all
Ugandans. He introduced violence, force and nepotism into Uganda's politics
for which the country has not and will not recover until Obote's students
(that include the Museveni group) perish. It may bother you, but is is a
fact. Oboteism is a cancer that is still eating the country.
Your defense of Obote will not exonerate him. Uganda will not recover if we
still have many that think like you. Like EM, Obote hated the Baganda and
this hatred and of course greed guided his behavior. And yes, Magandazi is
right. Obote was a total failure when it gets to sane politics. He set a
wrong path on which Uganda is still treading.
Neriko
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:37 AM, Gwokto La'Kitgum <[email protected]
<javascript:return> > wrote:
EM,
Question is, why do African leaders want to own their countries and all in
them as personal properties? Museveni owns Uganda and us as his. Dude can
dispense your small life as he wills without blinking an eye.
Period.
___________________________________
Gwokto La'Kitgum
"Even a small dog can piss on a tall Building", Jim Hightower
<http://www.regainyourtime.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Monkey-Suit-Tablet
-300x1991.jpg>
On Mon, Feb 17, 2014 at 7:21 AM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <[email protected]
<javascript:return> > wrote:
Joseph Magandazi
For the purpose of a systematic, logical and constructive dialogue, Mwami
Joseph lets us agree that Obote was not a competent politician and leader
for having been overthrown twice. There are many other potent issues that
we will address later. To start with why have leaders who came after Obote
committed the same mistakes and as a matter of fact even worse? If I
understand you correctly, Obote s only major mistake was to be overthrown
twice, is that correct sir?
I have discussed Ugandan problems, challenges and possible solutions for
years , but it seems these random discussions are not leading us anywhere.
Let us for a change be systematic, logical and try to address why subsequent
leaders have not only made mistakes, but committed atrocities amounting to
genocide and yet we blame Obote more? It bothers me a great deal as a
critical thinker, when Obote gets replaced by leaders that camp Ugandans yet
Ugandans still remain blaming Obote.
It sure does.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
From: [email protected] <javascript:return>
[mailto:[email protected] <javascript:return> ] On Behalf
Of joseph magandazi
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 8:39 PM
To: Joseph Magandazi
Subject: RE: {UAH} BAGANDA AND ACHOLIS HAVE NO MORAL RIGHT TO PREACH FOR
FEDERALSIM
O'Mulindwa,
You write so well most of it is true but you hide the source of these
problems, your darling Obote who towards his death regrets why he brought
Amin our hero close to him self. If I may read between his thoughts, greed
and last for a absolute power blindly led him to sought help from a brutal
man that he was warned about by his colonial masters. This did not stop , we
later see it surface in his second return when his tribal instincts force
him to promote a junior captain Smith Opona Achaka to become the army
chief of staff in the footsteps of the slain Langi , a fellow Langi. This
truly did annoy his comrades at arms the Acholis and they realized his
tribalism and his love to hold the army under his armpits. He again looses
control and the same army throws him out of power the second time, in fact
he has the world record as the most incompetent leader who failed to learn
from history and his own mistakes. He died a frustrated man that even Kaunda
regretted why he ever accepted him and Nyerere reject him the second time
that is why he ran to Zambia.
These are facts!!!
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From: [email protected] <javascript:return>
To: [email protected] <javascript:return>
Subject: RE: {UAH} BAGANDA AND ACHOLIS HAVE NO MORAL RIGHT TO PREACH FOR
FEDERALSIM
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2014 00:17:30 +0100
Let it go ......... and why the heck would I do that? Do I not have a mind
of my own? You really aren't suggesting that I should settle for your kind
of thinking .....
Diana
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From: [email protected] <javascript:return>
To: [email protected] <javascript:return>
CC: [email protected] <javascript:return> ; [email protected]
<javascript:return> ; [email protected] <javascript:return>
Subject: RE: {UAH} BAGANDA AND ACHOLIS HAVE NO MORAL RIGHT TO PREACH FOR
FEDERALSIM
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 17:54:28 -0500
Diana Ssemwogerere
And that is your best shot at such lined up facts against you? Why dont you
just let it go .
Geez !!!!
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
From: [email protected] <javascript:return>
[mailto:[email protected] <javascript:return> ] On Behalf
Of diana semwogerere
Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2014 5:52 PM
To: [email protected] <javascript:return>
Subject: RE: {UAH} BAGANDA AND ACHOLIS HAVE NO MORAL RIGHT TO PREACH FOR
FEDERALSIM
.....and you do not have any moral right to tell the baganda and the acholi
what they can or cannot do. Remember.. it's a free world. After-all you are
neither a buganda or King nor an acholi Chief.........
Diana
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Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2014 13:47:11 -0800
Subject: Re: {UAH} BAGANDA AND ACHOLIS HAVE NO MORAL RIGHT TO PREACH FOR
FEDERALSIM
From: [email protected] <javascript:return>
To: [email protected] <javascript:return>
Eeeh Lol!
phew!
On Feb 16, 2014 4:40 PM, "Herrn Edward Mulindwa" <[email protected]
<javascript:return> > wrote:
Friends
There are no people that have run our politics than Baganda and Acholis, but
there are no people that have screwed up our country than again Baganda and
Acholis. For some very unknown reason both Baganda and Acholis believe that
the politics of Uganda only comes out of Kampala to the population of
Uganda, they hate everything called a politics from the people to Kampala. I
am submitting to you that it took Acholis to get their hands on UPC, a party
that was built from get go on grassroots upwards, to change it today to what
it has become from Uganda house to grass roots. Olara Otunnu even closed the
village level branches for everything running UPC starts and ends on the 6th
floor.
I have followed Betty Olivier Kamya for a while, her major obstacle is again
as a Muganda is to think that she has the ability to sit in Kampala and
think for the rest of Ugandans, to create a system that is perfect for our
country. Betty Kamya is today preaching about the constitution and how it
hands every powers to the president, but Betty Kamya her self-built that
constitution, and curved all the powers to Museveni. Betty was a Movement
representative to the constitutional assembly which wrote that very
constitution she is going after. Again I opine that as an MP of Rubaga North
on again a Movement ticket, Betty Kamya used her position in the Movement to
consolidate NRM and to empower state house to the teeth. She cannot stand
today to educate us how she handed more powers to Museveni and she now knows
better and wants to remove them. We are not chickens where Betty Kamya shows
up and does her political experiments if they work she moves on if they fail
she changes the feeding time. Geez !!!!!!
By the way when she left The Movement and joined FDC for now it became the
more democratic party to her, she left FDC and then remembered the Kingdom
of Buganda, humped on the band wagon and started the crusade of federalism.
If Betty Kamya truly believed into a Federal system in Uganda why didnt she
introduce it to parliament as a Movement MP and a woman that was very close
to Yoweri Museveni? Olara Otunnu and Betty Kamya are a classic example of
how Baganda and Acholis remain the major problem we need to cross our
country, and just to back up my stand before WBK attacks me let me list you
the historical factors that built the Baganda and Acholis in the Uganda
politics.
The agony of Baganda
(1) Declared their own independence on October 8th 1962 known as Kingdom of
Buganda but on October 9th 24 hrs. later the King abandoned his Kingdom
without telling his subjects what the hell he was doing, became the first
President of Republic of Uganda headed by Dr. Apollo Milton Obote as Prime
Minister with more executive power than a King and President combined.
(2) In 1966 the same King who only 4 years earlier had abandoned his Kingdom
for the Republic ordered his Prime Minister to leave Buganda a territory
he no longer had control over and return to his own village of Akokoro.
Thoughtless as Baganda have always been and continue to be, Sir Edward
Mutesa forgot that Obote already or for that matter Uganda had a well-armed
and trained army called Uganda Army (UA) commanded by a Kakwa whose country
of birth was either Koboko (Uganda) or Kala (the now Republic of South
Sudan). Obote knowing that the only thing Mutesa had on his side was "gwanga
mujje" a bunch of loyalists with no military background, ordered Amin who
just a few years earlier had massacred Turkana cattle raiders to evict
Mutesa not only out of his palace but the Republic of Uganda. For that
Baganda hated Obote but fell in love with Amin in 1971 a man who had
actually entered the Bulange to kill the King. They did not only love Amin,
they also gave him their daughter Sarah Kyolaba as a wife. Because in their
minds Amin had liberated them from a Kawenkene.
(3) That romance with a Kakwa who technically was a Mukopi as per Baganda
thinking did not last long. They joined the rest of the crowd to give Amin
the boot and in 1979 they got their wish this time "owekika" Prof. Lule a
true Muganda was in charge and the declaration of ebyaffe was made, gwanga
mujje was sounded and the rest was history. Little did they know that
anything a Muganda puts his hands on turns out to be "byoya bya nswa" Lule
lasted for only 69 days and Baganda went back to the olden days "omunaku
obwavu bwe tubugwa"
(4) With prayers, the Baganda got another messiah this time from Rwanda by
the name of Yoweri Kaguta Museveni who promised them like Moses did to
deliver them to the Promised Land. True to form, Museveni delivered handing
back the lost Kingdom and finally "Kasita twebaka kutulo". The Munyarwanda
simply said you bastards continue sleeping, by the time you wake up I will
have become the king which he sure did.
(5) Having lost everything, they have turned to federalism being led by
their version of Lakwena known as Betty Kamya" Where they will put that
federal thing only Kony who took over from Lakwena can tell for it seems
Baganda are completely incapable of smelling the coffee even though they are
the largest grower of it.
Lets go to Acholis
(1) They overthrew their own government in 1985. Even though Obote was a
Langi, Obote II government was 95% Acholi dominated.
(2) After taking over the government since they did not know what to do with
it, they invited Museveni to share it with them. Museveni mattered a few
Acholi words "dano maming", look at these fools, how can you kill an
antelope and ask a hyena to skin it for you. Instead of Museveni saying
thank you for your stupidity and generosity and at least sharing the loot
with them, he showed them the door and only to end up in the hand of their
own killer Kony. They were camped and very many died therein.
(3) having lost it all like Baganda did, they are seeking solace in federal
without having a clue what federal is all about. To make it worse they are
divided in different groups, (a) Mao wants an independent state called
Nile Republic, (b) Akim Adong wants Federalism (c) Gwokto claims Acholi is
the only part of Ugandan that can be a country (d) Olara Otunnu hopes UPC
can one day rule Uganda again so he is in favor of Uganda as a unitary
system, (e) Amii Otunnu has an association in exile which seems to be a
government in waiting. Now tell me if two brothers cannot work together to
promote UPC, can one really believe Acholis can honestly manage federalism
leave alone a country of their own? And I am just asking !!!!!!
If there are tribes that are truly fucked up in "Black Africa" It is the
"Acholis and Baganda" That is where any one building a solution for Uganda
has to start from if we will ever move forward.
Geez !!!!!!
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
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