WBK
And that is how Federalism can never be effective in Uganda, for some un
known reason you are failing to see that the very problem you will have in
Akim Odong s system is the very same problem you will get by installing the
4 senators. The problem of Uganda today honestly is not the system running
Uganda, it is a failure to structure Uganda into any form where any system
can work. Let me put it this way, if you leave Uganda with a unitary system
today it will fail, if you leave it under Federalism it will fail, if you
leave it under UPC today it will fail, if you leave it under The Movement it
will fail, if you leave it under Mengo it still will fail. So the debate is
not what structure we need to implement into Uganda, but how do we prepare
Uganda so that any system can effectively work.
And for all I care it can even be the atheists system.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of WB
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 9:40 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: {UAH} Characteristics of a tribe or nation
Mr. Akim Odong:
Let me ask you a provocative question. Why do you still want to have
Acholis, Langis, Alurs , Madi in one federation? That is the old Northern
Uganda which is DEAD as DODO. If you are going to sale federalism on that
fallacy, it would be like waiting for Godot. And what is going with the
Jonam and land in Amuru district?
So come out clearly and tell Ugandans the truth. Let me tell you that if you
are dreaming that you will sell federalism with Acholis, Langis, Madis and
Alurs in one state, you will be pelted. . Actually nothing will kill the
federal idea that such a though so clarify. Are you saying that the
federalism you are preaching would put the Acholis, Langis, Madi, Jonam,
Alur in one state ask Northern Uganda? But why do you want these
ethnicities or nations in one state?
Lately there are those claiming to be more federalists than anyone in
Uganda. Fine. But let them put forward their model. Talk is cheap. I
believe the model out there is for discussion and fine tuning. It is still a
good template.
We suggested 4 senators per state. Why? Hint: Bukedi precisely for the
fears and concerns raised.
I hope your do not suffer from the malaise common among the left which is
too much dose of post-modernism. Our model and vision was guided by
enlightenment ideals.
And let me say something to some of you putting labels on others. Like Mr.
Nekyon said, we came in UAH to engage. Some of us are here because we want
to speak the truth to power. I knew the IGP then as a good man. Today the
IGP is anything but.
WBK
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From: [email protected]
To: [email protected]
Subject: RE: {UAH} Characteristics of a tribe or nation
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 17:57:01 -0400
Acholis being with Langis. No that will be very interesting.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of akim odong
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 11:35 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: {UAH} Characteristics of a tribe or nation
Mr Production;
If Baganda want to be a single tribal state, that can be worked out but they
should not force others to mirror them. I don't see Acholi for instance,
being separated from Lango, Madi or Alur. We are stronger and more
productive together. Economies are boosted by number less we forget.
So there is no need to project to the future, failures of the past. It is
almost like resurrecting all the old players to come and mess it up all over
again.
Akim
On Mon, Mar 10, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Production Manager
<[email protected]> wrote:
Let's break this one down for you all to understand. If you make an
agreement, or join up with someone for any reason at all, you keep a record
of the place you came form so you can go back there when you meet challenges
in order to work them out. As far as Uganda is concerned, If you forget
about the original 15, then you might just as well forget there ever was or
is a Uganda today. The original 15 is a place we can go back to the
negotiation table. If need be we officially dismantle the original 15,
everyone leaves as they came. And then everyone can go brace themselves, and
who ever is interested can join up for something else, on other terms. I
hope this helps especially Mr. professor Kashambuzi.
History flash back from the Buganda Grassroots letter to the members of the
Original 15
"In the year 1962, groups of people from the Kingdoms of Buganda, Ankole,
Toro and Bunyoro, the Territory of Busoga, Districts of Acholi, Lango, Teso,
Bukedi, Bugisu, Kigezi, Karamoja, West Nile, Sebei and Madi went to
Lancaster in the United Kingdom to take part in a conference for the
formation of the country Uganda. These were the original 15, designated as
kingdom, territory, etc., according to their preferences. They represented
every individual man and woman from their respective areas. Coerced as the
Union was, choosing it over conflicts with our conquerors burdened us with a
responsibility towards its member groups..."
On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 7:15 PM, Yoswa Dambisya <[email protected]> wrote:
Compatriots,
I am often bemused by the thesis about the 15 "nations", whose basis seems
to be the status quo at independence. I come from one of those nationalities
that were grouped together as Bukedi District by that time. I am proud to
have belonged to that District, but the current dynamics are such that there
is no possibility of regrouping us as one entity from Lake Kyoga at one end
to Lake Victoria at the other. You are talking six to eight distinct
nationalities or ethnic groups if you wish, so the question will have to be
if others want in as individual, indivisible entities, who is ordaining that
those that in colonial wisdom were Bukedi should stick to that arrangement?
Any thinking premised on that faulty reasoning is paternalistic and will be
rejected with all the contempt it deserves. Many of us are quiet not that we
love our origins any less. For the avoidance of doubt, any federal dream
that assumes that some groups will be amalgamated into some amorphous
state/region in order to re-establish the colonial arrangement is just that:
a dream.
Best regards,
Yoswa
Sent from Yoswa's iPad
On 09 Mar 2014, at 18:27, Eric Kashambuzi <[email protected]> wrote:
The circulation of Ugandas fifteen nations as a basis for discussing the
future governance direction of Uganda has raised some fundamental questions
that the champions of 15 nations have not been able to answer. There are
three principal characteristics that define a tribe or a nation:
1. Common ancestry;
2. Common language;
3. Common religion.
Applying these criteria raise questions about the fifteen nations. Take
Buganda for example. We always hear those who refer to themselves as Bana ba
Kintu and others are called Bana ba Kimera. These are two ancestries.
Then there is the question of language. There are different mother tongues
in Buganda. While at Ntare School in the early 1960s we witnessed Baganda
students teasing Bakooki students for not speaking proper Luganda. So
Luganda is not a common/ancestral language. There are various religions and
there is no one common religion in Buganda. Based on the above is Buganda a
nation?
In Kigezi clans were just compressed into artificial tribes for colonial
administrative convenience, hoping that ultimately we would metamorphose
into a nation. But that didnt happen. That is why after independence Kigezi
split into three groups: Kabale, Bufumbira and Rukungiri. Within these three
groups there are major differences.
Take Rukungiri. We have Nilotic/ Batutsi/Bahororo and Bantu/Bairu/Bahororo
two distinct ancestries. Ankole has same characteristics as Rukungiri. Toro
is another case of different ancestries.
Knowing who we are does not mean we are not patriotic. And opponents should
not use this civic education to score political points. All people in the
world want to know their origin and DNA tests are helping in this regard.
The Ugandans that were compressed into artificial classifications must be
given a chance to find out who they are. That is legitimate.
The champions of the 15 Uganda nations need to come forward and explain how
the grouping of these 15 nations came about.
Eric
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