Friends
I need to add a clarification on this sad debate that a birth certificate
identifies the sex of the child not based on what the child feels but on
what the trained medical doctor at the scene physically see on the child.
That is why before the birth certificate is issued, a trained and qualified
medical doctor must check the sexual organ of the baby and manually to
identify the sex of the child then he sends a form to the register who
issues the birth certificate stating the sex of the baby. The sex is never
decided due to the feeling of the baby for at a time a baby has no feeling.
The problem in this ladys reasoning is that the moment we agree that sex
must be decided by the feeling of the child, we then get into trouble with
what age is acceptable for a child to have a reasonable feeling. This woman
claims that this child felt as a girl since age 3, well is that an age we
can hold that child responsible for her decisions? Well at age 3 all
children believe their fathers are strong as Gods are they? Most children
believe they are truck drivers should they? Can we set an age to legally
drink at 21 but allow three year olds to set up their sex? You see now we
are walking a very terrible path for we have to set an acceptable age to
decide what sex you are. May be at age 21 some jurisdictions at age 18 so
you are going to end up with society walking with young people without sex
identification. If we have that kind of time on our hands, how about
figuring out how we can feed all of our species? Geez !!!!!!
And some of us opine that most girls think they are boys and some boys think
they are girls.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
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From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf
Of Tom Oreje
Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2014 1:37 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Mwananchi] THIS REASONNING IS TROUBLING
MJ and I are also sueing for the part of 'race' to be removed. We have since
changed the color of our skins. Mine is from white to black.
Mulindwa, why is the world rotting away this fast?
Tom.
On Mar 26, 2014 12:55 AM, "Herrn Edward Mulindwa" <[email protected]> wrote:
Mom of transgender child wants ID rules changed
<http://www.cbc.ca/> Description: CBCCBC 9 hours ago
The mother of a transgender child wants the Saskatchewan government to
remove any record of a person's sex on birth certificates.
Fran Forsberg has filed a complaint to Saskatchewan's Human Rights
Commission on behalf of her six-year-old child, Renn, after the province's
Vital Statistics Agency refused to change Renn's sex designation from "Male"
to "Female" on the youngster's birth records.
Renn was born with male genitalia but has identified as a girl since she was
three years old. According to the Canadian Pediatric Society, children
establish their gender identity between 18 to 30 months. When Forsberg
sought to change Renn's birth record, she submitted reports from a physician
and psychologist confirming that Renn identifies as a female. The Vital
Statistics Agency, however, was not moved.
In Saskatchewan, Forsberg learned, a resident can only change the sex
designation on a birth certificate after undergoing sex reassignment
surgery, a requirement that is considered discriminatory in the province of
Ontario.
"We used to have have race on our birth certificates. Also: what your father
did for a living. It's irrelevant." Forsberg told CBC News. "What I would
like to see is for gender to be removed completely from birth certificates."
The Forsberg family first realized that Renn, six, didn't feel like a boy
inside when she started self-harming about three years ago. Renn would bang
her head against the wall unless she was allowed to wear girls' clothing and
be called a girl.
Today, her older sister, Krista, 11, likes to help Renn pick her outfits,
ranging from black sequin halter dresses to pink frilly gowns. Renn is also
allowed to use the girl's bathroom at her elementary school.
"We think people should accept other people for who they are, and not judge
them for who they're not," Krista said.
The Forsbergs decided to go public with their campaign, arguing that staying
quiet only adds to stigma and discrimination.
"I want people to understand that my kids do not have an issue with their
gender or their gender expression," Forsberg said. "It is society's issue."
Forsberg said that when the gender marker M or F on a birth certificate,
driver's license, or passport doesn't match one's physical presentation, it
triggers confusion and discrimination.
The Ontario government changed its legislation after the province's Human
Rights Tribunal ruled that it's discriminatory to require transgender people
to undergo surgery before changing the sex designation on their birth
certificates in a decision in 2012.
While the change was celebrated as the first legislation of its kind in
Canada, many are not satisfied because it doesn't apply to children under 18
and a person must still present a doctor's note that verifies their gender
identity.
The B.C. government is now poised to pass similar legislation respecting its
records, after pressure from Harriette Cunningham, 10, who was born a boy
but identifies as a girl.
The proposed B.C. legislation falls short of Cunningham's request that
gender markers be removed entirely from government-issued ID.
While birth certificates fall under provincial jurisdiction, they're
required for passports issued by federal government.
Barbara Findlay, a lawyer from Vancouver, has launched a legal challenge to
have M and F removed from passports. She reasons that compared to
photographs and other biometric security features, a gender marker adds
little information.
"If you're going to use a document for identification purposes, and it has
photograph on it, a gender marker adds nothing," Findlay said. Since 2011,
Australia has allowed citizens to mark an "X" for gender on their passport,
rather than "M" or "F." New Zealand followed suit. And in 2013, a new law in
Germany allows parents of intersex infants to leave their gender unstated,
or "blank", on birth certificates.
At the Forsberg home, Renn's siblings, Tana and Krista say they've been
taught to stand up for themselves and be proud of who they are.
Renn's big brother, Tana, 9, isn't transgender but likes to experiment with
girl's clothing. He wears costumes and wigs to church and once entered a
drag queen competition. He has also posed as a girl on posters and
billboards for the "Pink Revolution" campaign, which is intended to educate
people about different gender presentations.
Tana said he has learned to defend himself at school.
"Somebody walked up to me and said, 'Are you a girl or a gay boy?' I said,
'Does it really matter?'" he told CBC News.
Their mother says it is important to foster a healthy self-esteem in her
children.
According to the Public Health Agency of Canada, an estimated 20 to 30 per
cent of transgender youth have attempted suicide.
Forsberg said filing the human rights complaint is part of making systematic
change.
"I don't want my kids to think that they have something to hide or that they
have something to be ashamed about, because they don't," she said. "And
people who are unkind to children like this, they're the ones who should be
ashamed and hiding."
What do you think? Should gender be removed from birth certificates? Join
the Saskatoon Morning live chat right now.
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