This country is so large that if I board a Grey-Hound bus from here today to
Vancouver, I arrive in Vancouver on Wednesday night. If I go to Sydney Nova
Scotia I arrive on Tuesday morning. And these coaches go 120/130 KMPH they
drive day and night and only stop to refill gas and change drivers. But you as
a passenger you sit into it for the straight days. Now I have not included the
North bound which is also days. But we are out there signing agreements with
people to work together and trade together, The Americans the Central Americas,
recently we head a deal with European countries for we really need each other
to survive in the market. We have several things to offer, mining expertise
being one, but we are very good into water treatment, actually Canada is a
country with equipment's that we can put a pipe into a sewage system, draw that
water into the equipment and put a tap on the other end of the equipment and
you can put a glass on it to drink it, and we do it very fast. We are very good
at computer technology and most of the computers on the international station
are Canadian made, we are good at air crafts and air buses, so there is a thing
or two we can do. But to sell all these things we need to corporate with
everyone.
Friends, Uganda is such a pathetically small country that if we had roads than
ebikuute by'Ente we have, we had roads as I have seen in this country there is
no reason one does not live in Gulu but work in Kampala. The distance between
Gulu and Kampala is actually only 170 miles or 275 Kms there about. To those in
Toronto, the distance between Kampala and Gulu is the same as the distance
between Toronto and a little passed London Ontario. The distance between
Toronto and London is 121 Miles or 195 Kms. I have done this trip under an hour
many many times. Do you know the number of people that live in London but work
in Toronto? Huge. Why can't one live in Gulu but work in Kampala? When you pull
the entire country of Uganda and compare it to the locations we have in these
huge countries, Uganda is actually very less than the state of Oregon. Put it
this way, if you add Uganda Kenya and Tanzania together, they are all combined
less than the entire province of Ontario. And trust me I have travelled the
whole of it.
And yet we cannot reason in any manner to make such a fertile land with rain 24
hours and in a day you get summer winter rain and snow. And that is why Amin is
my hero, for to him the discussion would be how do we send an ambulance to
Payira? No he did not care if Langis Acholis Alurs or Monkeys live there, all
he wanted was to send a God damn ambulance to Payira end of story. But the man
died, and he left us these fascists that came out of Tanzania and all they
think of is to slice the country into such perennial demarcations and how who
was born where is of a value. Are you firkin kidding me?
Jesus Christ on his wooden bicycle to Galilee. Geeeez !!!!!!!!!!!!!
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 8:33 AM
To: [email protected]
Cc: G_NET; [email protected]; 'oryema johnson'
Subject: RE: SV: {UAH} AKIM - COMPARE YOWERI MUSEVENI TO JOHN OGOLE///
Akim, not that it matters but perhaps an information detour is worth the
while:
1) Payira was / is not a clan (Payira was a Kingdom that was relegated to
Chieftaincy / try looking for writings of Emin Pasha / Gordon)
2) ACOLI did not exist before the colonialists came
3) Not all the Chieftaincies of / in what became ACOLI were part of Payira.
As regards you Federation baby, your approach is antithetical.
Contra-productive , so to say.You need to hire expert consultants otherwise,
you risk ditching the whole as is apparent now.
In stead of hollering garbage, try to sell ideal more convincingly. There are
methods for it.
Pay good and get help.
Noc'la gaumoy
“WE FORM THE CULTURE THAT FORMS US”….noc’la gaumoy.
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Den sön 2014-06-01 skrev +0025577362879532 <[email protected]>:
Ämne: RE: SV: {UAH} AKIM - COMPARE YOWERI MUSEVENI TO JOHN OGOLE///
Till: "'Ocaya Mike pOcure' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community"
<[email protected]>
Kopia: "G_NET" <[email protected]>, [email protected], "'oryema
johnson'" <[email protected]>
Datum: söndag 1 juni 2014 12:51
Ocaya,
I was born in Mulago and my greatgrand Dad came from somewhere in Congo and
settled in Acholi hence me being Akim and Odong. I don't know what clan he
belongs to .
Yes; Ocaya lets talk federalism. The way you introduced yourself clearly
shows that federalism existed in Acholi and it should not be a problem. The
current system was introduced by the colonialist to exploit the country. So it
was imperative that they brought everybody under one roof and managed them.
In Acholi, they used chiefs who agreed with the colonialist hence papercorn or
rwot kalam to manage their affairs and it was so effective that most Acholi
like have even forgotten that previous to the current system what Acholi had
was a federal system of governance. The principal of arwot ki oda was
established well before colonialism.
Ocaya, a clan is too small to form a federal state. It can still be used as a
sub system to effect administration. Must warn you that federalism in Uganda
will not mature in our life time but it can be adopted in our lifetime.
I hope we are still on the same page upto here. Otherwise, I am very greatful
that you have given it thought.
Acholi will not progress if its still controlled by a puppeteer from state
house Entebbe.
Sent from my Xperia™ smartphone
"'Ocaya Mike pOcure' via Ugandans at Heart
(UAH) Community"
<[email protected]> wrote:
AKIM, and UAH
folks,
FIRST,
can you tell me from which Royal or Chieftaincy were you born? My Chieftaincy
home is Payira and our great leader was Rwot AWICH, the great grandfather of
Rwot ONEN Acana - the current Chief of Payira.
SECOND,
my great grandfather was Rwot OCURE of Pawach Clan in Payira and he was the
Prime Minister to Rwot AWICH of Payira. This means, federalism can be
constructed under the heredity and or under inheritance social context as
being practice in Buganda and even in Acoliland. This is why I need to know a
bit of your being spokesperson of federalism in Acoliland and Uganda at large!
LASTLY,
let us talk about genuine federalism but not funny federalism which may not
mature in our lifetime!
Ocaya
pOcure
Den lördag, 31 maj
2014 22:41 skrev Herrn Edward Mulindwa
<[email protected]>:
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#yiv5974367175 Ocaya
pOcure
And I am going to flip
the discussion based on the fact that I have no special interest into Uganda
for I am not going back I am done with the silliness, if retirement will be
complicated in this country, I can survive in Ecuador at 20,000 dollars a year
very nicely thank you. And the moment countries like Uganda have failed to
stabilize we are looking at central American countries that have become very
enticing to retire from, Dominical republic is one Peru is another. So my take
is very independently to tell you what I believe.
Uganda has had problems from
way back, but those problems were Kampala problems.
Seriously how did the attack of Lubiri in 1966 affect you as a Ugandan in
Paidha? No let us push it to inside Luwero,
just how did this affect you? The Congo scandal how did it affect you as a
Ugandan of Kayunga? So all those problems we keep on listing were not
affecting people except when you were in the know then you would understand
that this constitution is not good for the country. Did Barigye’ s father
really care what kind of constitution was in Uganda?
Why? People were used to live in their villages grow Irish potato and Cagabes
and sell them to The Kweterana’s and they are done. Whatever happens to that
Irish potato after wards was never a problem to Barigye’ s father.
The problem of that country
was built by the meeting in Tanzania that decided to attack Uganda and remove
Iddi Amin from power militarily. The total destruction of our country came
from Tanzania. The war that removed Amin transferred the politics from Kampala
to Barigye’ s dad’s bed room. The people that came from Tanzania had
absolutely no good intentions for the country and hey started to destroy it
the very day a Tanzanian left a village and UNLA took over. They came to
murder every one they find on a street and they started right in the regime
of Yusuf Lule. The massive attacks of home to home and lawlessness started
with UNLA and it moved forward to today.
When you look at Obote two government those were returnees from Tanzania, the
Tito Okellos returnees from Tanzania, Yoweri Museveni returnees from Tanzania,
and the only thing that combined all of them was to fight Iddi Amin.
The people that came from
Tanzania came with such a tribal crap that I have never seen in that country.
The services Amin put in the country were national, it did not matter if you
were an Acholi or a Langi or a Munubbi or a Kakwa, as long as you wanted a
tractor it was at your parish. Men like Kisuule never promoted people for
they are
Moslems but for they are Ugandans. Dr. Kiiza Besigye said and I quote “I
don’t want anyone to ever define me as a Mukiga, I am a Muhororo. But
seriously when did you know that there is a tribe called Bahororo before the
removal of Amin? Did you know a Batagwendas? And that is how tribal are these
fellas. They have splited the atom of tribes to pulling out old terms that
were never used in the country.
But they built the regional
murdering of Ugandans, it is after Iddi Amin left power that I saw massive
regional killings, to target you for you are an Acholi was those that came
from Tanzania, Acholis were never targeted by Amin, he never camped them and
never called them biological substances, that is the language from those that
came from Tanzania. I have held a discussion with Akim Odong to reflect to
him how terrible Ogole was for he slapped a closure to Luwero, and my
question to Akim has
always been one, did you raise the danger of locking up the people in Luwero
for five years? At all times I have asked that question Akim Odong atunudde
mpwangali nga Embwa essudde ekyuma. Up to today when I have expressed to him
the dangers that came from the locking of Luwero, Akim Odong only responds
with Museveni went to the jungle. Northerners have been killed, Easterners
have been killed, Baganda have been killed and all this is happening by those
that came from Tanzania.
Lastly when you look at them
closely those that came from Tanzania can be listed with specific murders
they did. Dr Kiiza Besigye created the camps. FRONASA murdered many people
under Amin. Museveni said we massacred these chaps we kept on massacring and
they kept on coming. Tito Okello went to kill all prisoners in Mbale and he
was stopped for good people with him saw no value into it. Samson Mande
murdered the entire
Brigade 135 in Northern Uganda which housed Andrew Kayiira’ s soldiers. He
killed the soldiers their wives their pets and chickens. Muntonyera packed
Ugandans in train wagons torched them to death. Tinyefunza killed Northerners
for fun. John Ogole locked up those in Luwero and he remains single commander
that saved no soul. They brought raping of women in Uganda that was never our
culture. They have screwed the country up so bad that they can make Iddi Amin
in his grave in Saudi Arabia weep for our country.
Making the decision to attack
Iddi Amin was the worst decision we will ever see in our country.
EMOn
the 49th
Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza
Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na
Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko"
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 10:43 AM
To:
[email protected]
Subject: SV: {UAH} AKIM - COMPARE
YOWERI MUSEVENI TO JOHN
OGOLE/// BARIGYE,
MUCUBUGA and UAH folks,First,
thank God Ndugu Muko BARIGYE you are back on your feet and quite kicking I
pray for the same natural power to give more strength to drink some more cups
of Muramba!TRUE, on your worry about what you termed “nothing but a
catastrophy,” is making some of us quite worrisome. But when looked a bit
deeper one can say that, everything had its start and ending points. This
means, the
NRA/M7ism or you call it the south-western Uganda domination of politics
will come to the end as the time will arrive without stop!Second, yes we
agree that what had happened on other human beings under this 30 plus years of
domination by the folks from south-western Uganda has been a good historical
lessons for the whole country - call Uganda! MUCUBUGA, etal might have learnt
a thing or two from it. But it seems Ndugu MUCUBUGA is a single agenda learner
since he is just pointing his finger on the late OGOLE and OBOTE!Third, if he
(MUCUBUGA) were a person who understands Uganda political history, he could
have
recalled that Prof Ogenga OTUNNU Patrick, when a leader of student at
Makerere University crossed swords with the UPC government leaderships because
of the ongoing internal war in the LUWEERO triangle! TODAY, MUCUBUGA had lost
his mind or thinking about the political genocide which had been taking places
in northern and eastern Uganda for the continuous 30 years and still counting
since his NRA/M7ism came to power! Uganda political history is quite pathetic
right from the infamous 1900 Buganda Agreement whereby other human beings
became gun powder for the genocide against the Uganda folks who could not
accept the rulers that be, which happened to be BUGANDA Kingdom and her
British colonial cahoots!LASTLY, to bring the long story short, we Ugandans
who occupied this territory must stand up to defend the rights of the whole
ethnic group of Uganda. So my small word to Ndugu MUCUBUGA and Muko BARIGYE
let us have comprised ideal for our peaceful coexistences without fear as a
way forward! Ocaya pOcure
Den
lördag, 31 maj 2014 15:00 skrev Frank Mujabi <[email protected]>:
Akim
I lost over ten close
relatives in Luwero.
None of them were ever
reported in any newspaper. Nobody involved in the war would want to advertise
the death of relatives as the
Ogole's etc would have come and make you 'panda gari' to join your relatives
It is amusing how you think
that the Luwero war is the most important wrong which was done to Baganda and
that 'fixing' that will bring love between Ugandans. The Baganda say nti ensi
egulwa mirambo.
Luwero was worth it
because it removed the then dictators, killers etc.
That Luwero created another
dictator is aproblem we are facing, but it does not take away the fact that
we got rid of the Ogole's .
We will pay the price when
the reward is worth it, soon
maybe.
Sent from my iPhone
On 31 May 2014, at 10:27, akim odong <[email protected]> wrote:Mulindwe;
Names of those killed in Luwero
were being printed in the local news papers. How did the journalists get
those names if Luwero was sealed off?
Akim
Tolerance is a stage in
civilisation!
On Sat, May 31, 2014 at 8:24
AM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <[email protected]> wrote:Ugandans And that is how
simplistic those that were never in Luwero explain what happened into it for
five straight years. What a sad day !!!!!! Yea well I cannot explain what
happened in-there but news travelled by people. Really !!!!!!!!? EMOn the
49th Parallel Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni and
Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na
Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko" From:
[email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of akim odong
Sent:
Saturday, May 31,
2014 3:09 AM
To: 'kaliro45'
via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community
Subject: Re: {UAH} AKIM - COMPARE YOWERI MUSEVENI TO JOHN OGOLE/// Mulindwa;
Fortunately for me and I'am sure the forum, you have run out of things to
write about the late Col. This is a case of Mulonde or is it laundering dirty
money for good ones. Ogole has gone down in history of Uganda as the man who
last defeated your hero Mu7. Museveni has not won anything be it election in
his own backyard or war. He came to power when the Okellos were napping and
trusting that they were dealing with sane and sound person. Lakini wapii!.
Something Buganda will soon
find out! So if he duped you that he defeated Ogole, then that is very sad.
The fact remains that Luwero was once again free from banditry. Luwero paid a
heavy price for not standing up to Mu7 and cohorts. Atleast, now that they
have regained strength, they have stood against him in the by election.The so
call theory you''re talking about is tosh. We do know that during the war,
news was coming in from Luwero and there were no mobile phones yet. So it must
have traveled with humans.
Tolerance is a stage in
civilisation! On Fri, May 30, 2014 at
11:29 PM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa <[email protected]> wrote:Akim Odong I have
decided to change my modus operand in responding to you, it seems that when I
respond with several facts you get confused, so I am going to narrow this one
very much and I need you to read it very slow may be you will get the gist.
What Lt. Col. John Ogole did in Luwero district is what is these days defined
in Luwero as The Ogole theory. And The Ogole theory states very simple
that. “When you go to war to fight with any one, start by locking up every
one in the war theater. Make sure no man no woman no child leaves and no one
comes in, make sure all patients in hospitals are locked inside the district
and cut off their medical supplies. Make sure power is gone and telephones
are gone, but make sure that all schools and colleges and boarding schools
remain open, for then your force and your enemy’s force can sexually feed on
those girls and women. When the war ends and some noncombatants have
survived, good for them, if they are dead through bullets or being raped with
no medical care,
fuck
them.” {Sorry !!!!!!!!!} In as much as you agree with the Ogole theory, you
are forgetting that Ogole was only a commander of soldiers that were
implementing this theory, Muto-Ono P’Lajur was one of the soldier on the
street in Katikamu implementing it. But things have changed in Uganda to a
point that the owner of the theory is today dead and buried in a foreign land,
yet Muto-Ono P’Lajur the used to be street soldier in Katikamu has also left
Katikamu and Uganda to be in diaspora. It is very possible that Muto-Ono
P’Lajur is in Sand Hurst training to refurbish his military academia and it
is possible as well that come 2020 he will be the man commanding a large
section of soldiers in the war that will be in Acholi land come 2020. Because
you have stood in UAH in 2014, and praised Lt Col John Ogole as a brave
soldier that managed to create a theory by himself, you have actually
educated Muto-Ono P’Lajur that if you implement The Ogole theory Ugandans
praise you as a brave soldier. And thus when he goes to command the war in
Acholi land come 2020 he will implement the
Ogole theory, only that this time around the victims will be yourself, your
father, your mother but your children. The reason I am pushing this thread is
Ugandans like you to realize that what we praise today can come back to haunt
us come future. We thus must all stand up and oppose John Ogole and his very
terrible command, and define him a pathetic man so he was in life in death but
so in resurrection. And what a way to save you and your entire family from
Muto-Ono P’Lajur as he implements The Ogole theory in Acholi land come 2020.
Akim Odong yes you are very welcome !!!!!!! EMOn the 49th
Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni and Dr. Kiiza
Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni na
Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko" From:
[email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]
On Behalf Of akim odong
Sent:
Friday, May 30, 2014 12:51 AM
To:
'kaliro45' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community
Subject: Re: {UAH} AKIM - COMPARE YOWERI MUSEVENI TO JOHN OGOLE/// Ugandans;
The rebutt by Mulindwa and others, that merely issues have been discussed here
in the past, one must not have any input in
the present is alot of tosh. It has to be realised that idea and
opportunities come and go with time. This very much depends on the actors at
play. Mulindwa and his cohorts has all along rubbished the noses of Acholi and
Langi in shit for what happened in Luwero. He is convinced that the silence
from the majority northerners in this forum is guilt by default lakini wapi.
Mulindwa should be glad that there those who are ready to stand and defend the
truth by looking at both sides of the coin. Its clear that Mulindwa relies on
one side of the coin, particularly looking for edges and lose ends to bite. In
the discussion on Luwero, Mulindwa has not cojndemn Museveni for going into
Luwero. To him that was legitimate and so it was wrong for the government to
go after him. He has not questioned why the the people of Luwero did not
reject and eject Museveni like the people of Ankole
did. Mulindwa does not because he knows that the NRA silenced the Luwerians
through bruttal force. The maxim, you either with us or with the enemy is what
prevailed in Luwero and explains the many deaths in Luwero. Its said that if
oil drops on one finger, the best solution is to wash the whole finger. This
is what resulted in the death of many Luwerians and Mu7 knew that this what
would turn the people of Buganda against an elected government of Obote and
northerners. It worked, at great expence of human lives, leaving a deep scar
not only in Buganda but the north and eastern and the wider Uganda. This scar
is not healed and its real. Its that we have to deal with. Mulindwa attempt to
deal with this scar has been two fold. One
to run away from the country. Second to open the scar through one sided
blame. Mean while i Akim has recognised and realised that this scar will not
heal, because history tells me so. I have therefore embarked on the federal
route as a panacea to this unhealing scar. I believe with federalism,
Ugandans will heals, they will find time to look inward rather than outward,
with the constant reminder of the scar. I say this because i am ready to admit
that history repeats its self, but the circle can be stopped. Hate and
rubbishing others noses in shit, is an archaic solution. It simply perpetuates
the wound and speeds up the rotation of the ugly circle.
That is whay a political solution is the only viable and modern way of ending
the ugly, unstoppable circle that cannot be stopped for its only fools who
think it can be stopped by
war. The political option is wise
and must be persued. Akim
Tolerance is a stage in
civilisation! On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 1:35 AM, Herrn Edward Mulindwa
<[email protected]>
wrote:Ugandans Today reading what John Nsubuga has written is a blessing in
my dear heart for the man has attacked me for many many years, and it becomes
very strange when he starts to write as if in my corner. John Nsubuga has
never and will never be my friend yet he is in a point where he is not
attacking me. And I think this is where we are stuck as Ugandans, we have
failed to grow up and see the larger picture. We look at simple pixels and we
define that as a true movie. John Nsubuga has been reading what I have been
posting all along and he has been seeing pixels than the Movie I am trying to
put on the screen, a movie that we all need the country and we all can live
inside that land. When I attacked the Movement on the camps in The North
Nsubuga opposed me violently and naming me all names under the earth. Yet
many of you fail to realize that I carry these discussions to tell you what it
is, I don’t care if you are a Muganda or a Munyankole of Mengo refugee or a
Mutebi fanatic, I am telling you the facts you will never show up tumorrow to
question my reasoning. Yet you wallop into the thinking that if I attack The
Movement on the camps in the North it is because I love Northerners but hate
Museveni. Look if Museveni leads that crap half decently good for me. If he
does not I raise the volume. National issues are never based on tribes or
friendship but on the people. I am very glad that I made a very tough
decision to go after Lt Col John Ogole, and trust me if you’re going to attack
a man after his death you better have your dick up, and so was mine. But
the attack on Ogole’s silliness has revealed me what Ugandans really are. If
you discuss Museveni and NRA they are all in house maids. If you go after Iddi
Amin Edward Pojim will miss the sex that night and demand for a break from
his wife. If you say Mustafa Adrisi was the worst tyrant in Uganda Ocen
Nekyon will have a dessert. So we base our arguments on specific programs that
are indented in our brains, they don’t need to be factually based and they do
not have to make sense, if they tell you that Amin was the worst leader Uganda
will ever have raise your hand in support. If they tell you that John Ogole
was the best soldier Uganda ever had raise your hand in support. And by the
way we are all a union we must support every one and oppose every one. And
that is where my grand faith in Ugandans has dropped,
and yes George Okello wants me shot I get that, but when I discuss the
issues of Luwero that have never been discussed, where are all those that have
been supporting me in my going after NRA and the North? Where are those that
were with me when I stood that camps are wrong in Uganda and NRA soldiers are
killers? How do you just shut down your computers for I have decided to write
about my very own district where I lived by accident? Because I did not talk
about it you think it never happened? And let me be some specific here,
Where is Dr Charles Eliba? Yes we have communicated a great deal on Uganda
issues and we have debated as adults on both the forum and phone calls, was it
because I was defending Northern Uganda? Or we held these discussions for we
are Ugandans and Northerners and Easterners and Baganda in Luwero deserve a
same right? And Charles Eliba I trusted but loved your input for your
position in Obote two government handed
you a very first knowledge of what was happening in Uganda.
{And note I have not mentioned it} To me that was of greater importance. But
your position in that government would not serve any better than backing my
stand that what happened in Luwero was wrong and John Ogole screwed up. And
yet you too have decided to simply keep quiet and Luwero issues must be buried
and very deep. Thank God I respected Northerners than you have respected the
people of Luwero.
This debate has strengthened
my belief that we need to take mortgages in these countries for going home is
very illusionnal, if we only become open to discuss Uganda issues when Acholis
are killed but we get sworn to secrecy when Baganda in Luwero are killed, it
explains why George Okello needs me into Uganda to blow my head off. I am glad
I removed my children from
that Zoo and if you are in Uganda good luck for you will need it trust me.
This country is way fucked {Sorry !!!!!} up more than I ever expected. EMOn
the 49th Parallel Thé Mulindwas Communication Group "With Yoweri Museveni
and Dr. Kiiza Besigye Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana
Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja
na Yoweri Museveni na Dk. Kiiza Besigye Uganda ni katika machafuko" From:
[email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 1:22 PM
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Cc: oryema johnson; [email protected]; G_NET
Subject: Re: {UAH} AKIM - COMPARE YOWERI MUSEVENI TO JOHN OGOLE/// Akim,
The quantification and equating the dead to "nothing"
whether in Luwero or Northern Uganda alike, killed by an elected government
or not, is alarming and pedestrian. What does it matter whether Museveni
fought an elected government, (UPC rigged elections) but the collateral ended
up being innocent human beings?
What
does it matter whether Kony fought a rebel outfit / NRA, but the majority of
casualties ended up being none combatants, women, children, the elderly etc..?
Your argument has no
basis and therefore wobbly and
mundane. I
have said it here before that many of you northerners in the diaspora make a
lot of empty noise but when you travel to Uganda, you never visit these
places. We the Baganda / Banyoro, have been in northern Uganda several times,
and even assisted where possible. We do not go around making announcements.
Edward Mulindwa told you that your noise not withstanding, many northerners
can't even locate the cemeteries, let alone the exact spot where their fellow
country
/ tribesmen were buried.
Potea tena araka
wewe!!! J.N
Munyoganda From: +0025577362879532 <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Cc: oryema johnson <[email protected]>; [email protected]; G_NET
<[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, 29 May 2014, 16:23
Subject: Re: {UAH} AKIM - COMPARE YOWERI MUSEVENI TO JOHN OGOLE///
Munyoganda,
Its on record
that I was one opposed to the Lra and I made my case known right before the
internet. So yours is alot of hotair.
The thing with Mu,,7, he waged war on an elected government. Besides that,
his party was defeated and he did not
win in his constituency. He was a bad loser.
Munyo, why I talk about Mu7 is that he was the one who steered the war, Ogole
the late, took orders.
Besides, one cannot talk about mu7 without talking about the NRA. He himself
wants the world to think he was the only fighter. It's not surprising that he
tells his opponents that he hunted his own beast, and not ready to give it up.
If the opponents want what he has, they need to go hunt for it. So its fit
and proper to talk about Mu for he owns Uganda.
Akim.
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"'John Nsubuga'
via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community" <[email protected]>
wrote: Akim, Your
analysis is as controversial as it is self defeating. You can not come from
the blue and mobilise at the level that Museveni did successfully. Something
was wrong with Uganda at the time, this is what you UPC people have
deliberately refused to accept.
Mulindwa has personalised and
narrowed the debate to the late John Ogole so you say. But a quick scan
through your entire discussion below seems to be revolving around Museveni as
an individual. A shoot in the foot!! But here is what catches the eye the
most..... Akim - This was therefore the beginning of the war, which was not
asked for by the people of Luwero or sent to by the government but by Museveni.
The government had
to act. The rest is
history. Now, you've repeatedly opposed president Museveni's war against Kony
in the north, where thousands of people lost their lives. However, you say
the UPC government through John Ogole had to act against the NRA and that the
rest is history. Hoho...wow!!! You need to explain that statement. J.N
Munyoganda From: +0025577362879532 <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]; [email protected]
Cc: oryema johnson <[email protected]>; [email protected]; G_NET
<[email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, 29 May 2014, 7:01
Subject: Re: {UAH} AKIM - COMPARE YOWERI MUSEVENI TO JOHN OGOLE///
Mulindwa, Abbey and Munyoganda
Comparing The late Col and Museveni, makes trivial of what should be a very
rich terrain from where many would understand what war is all about.
Unfortunately for Mulindwa, he has decided to reduce this tragedy to
personality and not events.
Luwero before
the war was a peaceful location and people went along their business as they
had done for years, which included among
others piling green banana the height of a pyramid on a bicycle to take to
the nearest market. They sold gonja to the exited northerners heading home
etc. This idylic tranquility was brought to a jolt by a man who had decided
abandoned his post and jumped into the bush. The man was Museveni.
Museveni was
rejected by his people first in the polls, then as would be bush fighter. He
was told in no uncertain terms by his adopted people of the west, that we do
not want your dangerous activity within our area. But like the saying goes,
for every fool there is a con man. It did not take long before Museveni found
a place where he stationed himself in a position where he would kill innocent
travelling northerners who all along fleeted past Luwero in comfort, at will
and of course, uncorporating people of Luwero.
It has to be borne in mind that
Museveni was not on a government mission, no. He was on his own
adventure, a dangerous one at that, which if given choice the people of
Luwero would have said no to such barbarity.
This was therefore the beginning of the war, which was not asked for by the
people of Luwero or sent to by the government but by Museveni. The government
had to act. The rest is history.
What is current, is the
realisation by the people of Luwero, that they are still paying for a war
they did not ask for and their sacrifice has all along been bwerere via
Bugerere. The people benefiting from this war is not them, for they are still
heaping green banana higher than a pyramid albeit on a boda bcos the bicycle
meant for them, was sold off before it left India. They also have loved ones
who they have not buried.
Was the war worth it; Has it solve the
problem of Uganda? The answer was spelt out by people of Luwero in a by
election. Their pride, hope and fear might have prevented them from this
conclusion, but
they have realised they were a victim not of the government of the day but
of a man who cared less. The late col was meant to hold this man to account
and he succeeded but did not apprehend.
The losers in this careless
war are Ugandans and the war has left Uganda scarred for live.
Akim
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smartphone
Abbey Semuwemba
<[email protected]>
wrote:" To today Luwero
remains with its dark place because there is a whole whack of unknown known
we know we simply don’t know"- Edward Mulindwa.AbbeyOn 28 May 2014 08:57,
"'John Nsubuga' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community"
<[email protected]>
wrote:
Comparing
John Ogole to Museveni makes the later look like an angel man. Only kwaran
Otieno Joseph thinks highly of these kind of people and yet condemns Museveni
for less.
J.N
Munyoganda From:
Herrn Edward Mulindwa <[email protected]>
To: [email protected]
Cc: G_NET <[email protected]>; [email protected]; [email protected]
Sent: Wednesday, 28 May 2014, 7:57
Subject: {UAH} AKIM ODONG LET US COMPARE YOWERI MUSEVENI TO JOHN OGOLE Yes we
can !!!!!!! Akim Odong When we hold this discussion we need to put the facts
straight to the people especially the important details. Under the advice of
Dr Kiiza Besigye, yes Museveni camped Northern Uganda, yes he built the war,
yes people were murdered and raped, yes the so called Konny war was fuelled by
his agenda to be fulfilled, but when push came to shove, the very same
Museveni opened up the camps to the international community. It is important
that we recognize that development in The North sir. USAID {An American} went
to the camps. CIDA {A Canadian} went to the camps. WHO went to the camps. Red
Cross went to the camps.
Médecins sans frontières
Went to the camps. Ugandans from The North that are in diaspora started to
contact their people in camps and sent them as much help as they so needed.
Very many international
organizations poured into The Camps and we as watchers on Uganda issues from
the diaspora started to get daily briefings on what was happening in the
camps. Photographs started to come out and information flow became open.
Uganda local papers started to report from camps. I was getting an Email at
minimum every two days out of the camps for the NGOs were communicating to the
outside world, much of what I wrote about the camps and making them a pain to
Uganda government was actually coming from the camps themselves, I had two
direct contacts from the inside. When Lt. Colonel John Ogole created the
Luwero camp, he refused any of the above agencies to ever step into Luwero. I
have a perfect evidence of Médecins sans
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