Billie Kadameri
It is very strange how you have borrowed Museveni's language : "We massacred
them" This was Museveni's words in reference to the massacre of Koner Kilak.
Let record show that several years later Kadamari is using the exact same
words: "Langis and Acholis massacred Amin's departing army" yet you stands
here claiming Langis and Acholis are not killers. My foot. Oh, another
reminder, a fleeing army is the most dangerous than the one retreat to
regroup later. I am surprised that an educated man and for that matter a
former journalist would make such an uneducated statement in public. Do you
know the saying: "A wounded buffalo is very dangerous". That applies to a
fleeing soldier that is still armed. Let me also clarify one thing, during
Amin's rule, Uganda Army did not kill but State Research Bureau members did.
And it is very important to make that distinction in our discussion.
Secondly when writing about the history of Iddi Amin realize that it
happened in public and the exit of Uganda army soldiers was public. I will
add as well that there are some of those that were among the force that are
members in this forum and are reading what you are posting. Having stated
that, let me point out two stupid issues you have raised.
A} You are stating that they were in a hurry to run for their lives.
So let me put it in a language to be understood by the members of this
forum. The war was started in Tanzania, and Uganda was attacked. The war
went on for almost two years, and Uganda Army command structure with Uganda
government never had a clue that they will lose the war till when Yusuf
Lule was sworn to power. They never knew that Acholis and Langis were the
ones attacking Uganda. And from when they attacked in Mutukula, Iddi Amin
did not have a control over the entire Uganda to erase both Acholi and
Langis? Let me repeat myself, by going after Uganda Army and calling them
killers you are only hurting your selves, for what you are writing today is
being read by NRA soldiers many of whom will run through Acholi land, so if
I were you I would choose my words very carefully. But again I am not.
B} You state Do you really believe any Amin soldiers fled to and through
northern Uganda with tanks? Any tanks they could have moved on were already
stationed there. Truth is, no single Amin soldier fled through northern
Uganda in tanks. At this stage of their flight tanks were a drag, fuel
guzzling stuuf that not a single soldier wnated to waste time on. They were
in full flight and did not want to be bogged down by tanks. In fact there
was little fuel for tanks and even some cars the Amin soldiers were using to
flee, had little fuel.
-Kadameri if Uganda soldiers did not enter DRC with weapons trucks and
tanks, how did the Congolese government get the same equipments it handed
back to Uganda government?
You have made a very interesting statement and I directly quote the Amin
men were literally massacred in Lira, the last bus fleeing the town was
bombed just as they left Odokomit Ginnery on the Lira-Kamdini road and not a
single soul survived. -Kadameri I amnot in a forum to state that you did
not murder Uganda Army soldiers, I am in a forum to state that they never
murdered you. What you have posted here is only to confirm what I am trying
to express through the series on how murderous Acholis are, and the glee at
which you write how you murdered all of them is only an example of how
important Ugandans need to understand how murderous Acholis really are.
Uganda friends:-
There was no exit out of power ever organized as the exit of Amins
government/soldiers, they fought a front line war, they knew exactly what
had been taken and they knew exactly what was being controlled, they had no
surprises what so ever. They controlled the roads and managed them very
well, they moved every single civilian all way from Mutukula to Ndeeba to
safety unlike John Ogole that denied innocent people to exit the war zone.
People that were serving in Uganda embassies got even time to wire money
back to The Ministry of foreign affairs as required by the law of Uganda,
because they knew that the government at this point had fallen. It is
important to note that those monies that were sent back to ministry of
foreign affairs was again eaten by Acholis. Those in Kampala and in
barracks left towns with their flag up and above, there was no massacre in
Uganda and the only people that got massacred in that war were massacred
when Acholis took power and control. One way to know that Acholis had
arrived in a town was to see deaths that are unexplained. As long as we had
Uganda army we were very secure. I am calling on every Ugandan in this forum
that lived in a village where Uganda army massacred the people to speak up
and now. From the day they left Uganda we have been burying people because
The Kadameris and Mutos are hacking them. The 1979 war remains a war where
we had no massive graves but they started to be built for Acholis were
murdering Ugandans. If you know of any mass grave created by Uganda army
again speak up.
In ending let me pull a writing I got from a UNHCR employee that was in
Sudan at a time and this is part of what she wrote to me. When in Sudan I
extensively interviewed Mustafa Adrisi, Col. Mondo, General Lumago, Brig.
Kili, Col. Juma Oris, Col. Gore and many other senior officers. These men
all said they had the opportunity to wipe out Acholi people if they wanted
because they traveled through that part of the country on their way to
Southern Sudan. But they had no reason to do so because they were never
against Acholi, but Acholi were against them. They wondered why Acholis
entered West Nile after Amin's fall and killed so many that were very
innocent. -UNHCR staff. -Friends at what point does it
start to bother you why many of these men came back to Uganda and lived free
if they were killers as Kadameri is stating? Why didnt they die in exile as
John Ogole that failed to even be returned to Uganda when dead? And I am
just asking !!!!!
Let us read Billie Kadameris writing, and very carefully
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in
anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni
katika machafuko"
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Billie Kadameri
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2014 11:07 AM
To: Ugandans at Heart
Subject: {UAH} (Mulindwa) Masaka Suicide and Betrayal of Amin
Mr. Mulindwa,
Sometimes I wonder whether you actually you belive what you write or you
just love to lie on impulse.
Do you really believe any Amin soldiers fled to and through northern Uganda
with tanks? Any tanks they could have moved on were already stationed there.
Truth is, no single Amin soldier fled through northern Uganda in tanks. At
this stage of their flight tanks were a drag, fuel guzzling stuuf that not a
single soldier wnated to waste time on. They were in full flight and did not
want to be bogged down by tanks. In fact there was little fuel for tanks and
even some cars the Amin soldiers were using to flee, had little fuel.
This was the reason one group actually branched off from the tarmac in
present Loro town in Oyam district, went to Teboke Catholic mission to loot
fuel from there and when Father Gino the Italian pleaded with them not to,
they instead shot dead two people arriving at the mission including one
Ogwal Pele.
A fleeing army however brutal as the Amin army was, has no time to kill
civilians and just wants to save its skin. They can lose their heads along
the way but believe me by the time an army is fleeing after defeat, 'killing
Acholi and Lango' were the last thing in the minds of Amin's soldiers.
Next time I will tell you how local people in Lango and parts of Acholi
actually organised to attack, misdirect and confuse fleeing Amin soldiers
and how a great number of Amin men were trapped and killed.
Here you will get to know the names of local heroes like Adoko-Cuda, Oyuru
Abel, Oboko, Michael Opio and Okabo Orech 'Suicide'.
It is the reason some Amin soldiers got stcuk in Lira, coudl not flee
towards Gulu and when the Tanzanians finally arrived, the Amin men were
literally massacred in Lira, the last bus fleeing the twon was bombed just
as they left Odokomit Ginnery on the Lira-Kamdini road and not a single soul
survived.
The wreckage of that bus had been there for years till it was removed two
years ago.
So, fleeing Amin soldiers killed less civilians because they were saving
their skin and had not time for it. Besides, people had woken up and were
casuing trouble for them in some places.
Billie
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To: <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]
Subject: RE: {UAH} Masaka Suicide and Betrayal of Amin
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 09:14:48 -0400
Billie Kadameri
There are soldiers that ran through Gulu to DRC with literary full
battalions, they had tanks, they had trucks, they had armed jeeps and all
kinds of weapons, they reached DRC and simply camped. Do you know any
single Acholi or Langi that they killed while exiting? And I am asking for a
single God damn name. The writings I see in these forums are actually
hurting the Langis and Acholis, for if even if you protect them and you
walk out with specific instructions to protect the civilians, Acholis and
Langis will still claim to be murdered, you might as well go after them. The
politics I see in Uganda is going to build a whole lot of exits, and
Northern Uganda is a very gate way of almost every exit that will happen.
Explain to me why anyone would even think of protecting them at exit as
Uganda Army did when they will still go after him as a killer.
If I was a Langi or an Acholi I would back off the claim of calling Amin a
killer, but again I am not.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in
anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni
katika machafuko"
From: <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected] [
<mailto:[email protected]>
mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Billie Kadameri
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2014 6:42 AM
To: Ugandans at Heart
Subject: {UAH} Masaka Suicide and Betrayal of Amin
Only Idi Amin knew why he called his prized unit in Masaka Suicide
Reconnaissance Regiment. Amin probably didnt mean that this unit was
supposed to commit suicide and if possible die for their leader.
With his mixing of English meanings, he probably meant that the unit is and
must be daring, not suicide.
The unit commanded by Amins own blood relative Col. Juma Oka Rokoni (aka
Juma Butabika), was the final trigger as it were, that caused Amins
downfall.
First they invaded Tanzania (whether with or without Amins knowledge is
still debatable). Then, in a clever but deceptive move as the first
Tanzanian battalion led by Lt Col Col. Salim Hassan Boma walked straight at
Mutukula border to launch their counter-attack on Uganda on January 22,
1979, soldiers of Masaka Suicide and others under Marijani simply fled
the border post.
Then on February 13, 1979 as the Tanzanians moved in to attack Simba Hills
and Sango Bay, Tanzanians who had made it a habit to listen in to Uganda
army radio communications frequencies, heard Lt. Col. Marijani call Republic
House in Kampala in panic saying:
Lt Col. Marijani: Sir, they are really coming now; tens of thousands of
them. We need urgent reinforcements and air support, over.
Major Gen, Yusuf Gowon (Chief of Staff): They cannot be that many. Fight
them while we see what to do
Lt. Col. Marijani: We are going to change places. I am coming there and you
come here and fight.
The break down in command and too much familiarity because many officers
felt that being Kakwa or Nubian meant they can question fellow Kakwa and
Nubian officers made things worse for Amin. As commanders from the front
arrived back at the Officers Mess in Masaka, according to one of only
officers who was actually doing actual fighting and believing he was doing a
duty to his country (Major Bernard Rwehururu, now retired Brigadier), the
other officers that had been waiting for deployment to the front derisively
would ask them vita yenyu ana endelea namna gani (how is your war going
on)?.
No wonder two months later, with cowardly officers, many of whom were
Sudanese and Congolese, Amin was past tense as he liked to say and Hussein
Amin and the rest had to leave Uganda in a huff.
Big question; could a non-relative have fought better for Amin than Col Juma
Oka Rokoni?
Billie
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