Friends
I remember about 7 years ago meeting a fellow who was an Intelligence officer
with NRA in Luwero who told me a horrifying story. Without saying much; the
poor souls in Luwero were pawns in a larger game for power. –Ocen Nekyon
I think the saddest part of Luwero is in the above sentence. Ocen Nekyon with
so many that decapitated our people and on both sides The government and the
NRAs know exactly what happened in Luwero, who did it but raising it will mean
that he puts in danger those he knows. When you go back to all I have stated in
these forums, I get attacked for raising The Luwero issues is to plant hate.
Well why should I be comfortable to sit with those I know are murderers to plan
the future of the country? And just asking !!!!!!
Ocen well keep quite with your facts, the civil war will make you talk.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Abbey Semuwemba
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Subject: Re: {UAH} Ssemogerere wrong: NRA never fled Luweero- Museveni
Moses,
This so called Luwerolism is starting to get embarrassing for some of us who
have been defending the justification of the war. It was a war conducted by
liars on both sides; there was a lot of disinformation during and after the
war; and it has made some of us lose total respect to the people now in power.
They aren't good role models at all.
Yes, shit Pile or rather pike used to sneak in the bushes of Luwero, and I
believe he is partly responsible for all the disinformation we have consumed
over time. He is a good for nothing type of Muzungu , whose only interest in
the war was to make money.
Abbey.
Sent from my iPad
On 26 Oct 2014, at 05:48, Gook <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
> wrote:
Ocen,
I was in Luwero...I lost relatives there...killed with hoes called Kafuni?
NRA was never my favourite!
Not then not now!
Sent from Gook's iPatch!
"What you are we once were, what we are you shall be!"
An inscription on the walls of a Roman catacomb.
On 26 okt 2014, at 13:23, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
wrote:
Gook;
I was never a fan of UNLA because in many instances a number of its officers
did not do themselves any favors as far as perception.
But with the passage of time I have been able to look at things more
analytically and have been less harsh towards UNLA.
I remember about 7 years ago meeting a fellow who was an Intelligence officer
with NRA in Luwero who told me a horrifying story.
Without saying much; the poor souls in Luwero were pawns in a larger game for
power.
Ocen
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
From: gook
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 06:54
To: <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]
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Ocen
To me it's bad enuff that pple died it doesn't if it were to be one or a
million!
A horrible wrong was done by a pple purporting to be fighting for the pple.
The then sitting govt failed to protect her pple against a marauding and
vicious group of self seekers!
These killers now reeling off numbers of our dead belong to the ICC and not
state hse!
"Fortune favors the bold"!
Sent by my ihand!
On 26 okt 2014, at 11:39, [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
wrote:
Abbey;
I have always said that the numbers "killed" in Luwero were political numbers.
It is important to note, that I have also said that innocent people did die
due to the unfortunate price of war, which does not discriminate between the
guilty and innocent.
The original number of 300,000 is said to have been authored by a young and
upcoming Journalist called William Pike, that was picked up by many major
newspapers.
Now M7 comes up with new numbers that drastically under reports those numbers.
I am still trying to fathom why the then sitting government and the party
(UPC) has still not pushed back vehemently on the above narrative.
Ocen
Sent from my BlackBerry 10 smartphone.
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Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2014 03:01
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Moses,
When was it established that there were/ are 33 mass graves in Luwero with over
2000 skulls? Was there a forensic team at the site to establish how most of
these people were killed?
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Talk back. President Museveni responds to former Democratic Party president
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In the Sunday Monitor of September 28, 2014,
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Mzee [Paul] Ssemogerere gave an extensive interview covered from page 14 to
15. I agree with some of the contents of the interview such as the rigged
elections of 1962 and 1980.
The rigging was structural and obvious. The multiple ballot papers, the
multiple ballot boxes, the enclosed polling booths, the failure to count
immediately after polling at the voting points and declaration of results, the
gerrymandering of Constituencies etc, etc.
It is also true that in the 1980 elections, the DP attracted leaders that had
been in UPC and KY in 1962. Mzee Ssemogerere quoted a number of names and they
are well known. In fact that re-alignment of forces had already taken place
even by 1965-66. I remember the vote in Parliament for the election of, I
think, Kakonge. The DP, KY and the Ibingira UPC had put forward Mashaate.
Kakonge won by a narrow margin.
However, there are many points on which I do not agree with Mzee Ssemogerere –
both in the past and now but will not go into them here. They include the
decision by the DP leadership to join the Parliament of 1980-1985 and his
belief in lobbying Oyite Ojok and Muwanga to “save the lives” of some Ugandans.
The NRM position has always been to hold accountable all killers if they are
identified.
I confirm to the readers that the [Tito] Okello government released some of the
prisoners that had not been killed, but not all. I did not know that it was Mr
Ssemogerere who spearheaded that. I congratulate him for that. I am also
pleased that Mr Ssemogerere confirms that in the nine years he was with the
NRM, he was “not inhibited” from carrying out his work as minister of Internal
Affairs or minister of Public Service.
However, there are fundamental points in Mr Ssemogerere’s interview that I
cannot leave unanswered. Top on the list is Mr Ssemogerere’s answer to the
interviewer’s question that run as follows: “DP will be 60 next month. Don’t
you get a feeling that it is considerably weakened?”
What was Mr Ssemogerere’s answer? It was as follows: “You have got to see what
has been happening to other parties. Tell me which political party has stood?
Look at UPC, CP, KY etc, etc”. He goes on: “Where is Kanu in Kenya? Where is
Banda’s party in Malawi? Where is Nkrumah’s party?” The point Mzee Ssemogerere
was attempting to make was that all political parties had to decline on account
of not being encouraged by the people in power at given times.
Unfortunately, that is not true. Yes, there are those parties which have
declined and there are reasons for that. However, there are those that have
stood the test of time. I may cite four of them: the ANC of South Africa, Swapo
of Namibia, MPLA of Angola and Frelimo of Mozambique.
I have not added Tanu/CCM because it has been in power all the time. That
notwithstanding, Tanu/CCM/Afro-Shirazi have had to struggle ideologically and
politically against competitors both before independence and after independence
when multi-partyism was re-introduced in Tanzania.
The other four (Frelimo, ANC, Swapo and MPLA), however, were, for long periods,
under-ground and being persecuted by the people in power (the White racists in
South Africa and SW Africa and the Portuguese colonialists).
They, however, survived and thrived. ANC was in opposition and under-ground for
most of the time between 1912 and 1990 – a period of 78 years. When democracy
was introduced, it won with a good majority and it has continued to win ever
since. Why did ANC thrive and survive while other parties were emerging and
disappearing? It was on account of a correct ideological diagnosis of the South
African society.
While other political parties were sectarian (racist, for instance), through
the Freedom Charter of 1955, the ANC offered the therapy of multi-racialism.
ANC offered South Africa the medicine that could treat the sickness of their
society which was racism. The NRM, which Mzee Ssemogerere seems to detest
although it gave him an opportunity to serve without “inhibition” for nine
years and separated from it of his own volition, has been winning elections
even under multi – partyism because it gave the Ugandans the medicine they
needed most – non-sectarianism and security of person and property.
Mzee Ssemogerere contradicts himself. He says Obote and Amin established
political – military dictatorships where some people had to be saved, by Mr
Ssemogerere’s lobbying, from “dangerous go-downs” in Makindye (killing centres)
and where thousands had to be released by minister Ssemogerere from detention
without trial.
Yet he seems not to approve of the NRM/NRA –the political – military force that
had to end those dictatorships. He even finds it a problem that serving army
officers (just 10 of them) are in a Parliament of 365 MPs – all of them
elected, either by the population or by the Army Council.
There is, however, something that Mzee Ssemogerere did not raise at all in his
interview. Why did some Ugandan elites choose to start another political party
in 1954-56 – DP, when other Ugandans had already started another political
party – UNC – to demand for Uganda’s Independence? If these elite were
genuinely interested in Independence, was it not easier to work together? Or
could it be that these Ugandans did not care about Independence? What was it
that was in DP that was not in UNC? Why did our brothers and sisters in
Tanganyika rally around TANU but our political elite here could not act
together?
Could this failure be the reason for the turmoil that followed? Here, I do not
have to talk about Kabaka Yekka (KY) and their chauvinist and opportunistic
programme of involving the Kabaka of Buganda in partisan politics.
To round off this point, I would like to state that I am not against political
parties. If that was so, I would be against ANC, Frelimo, Swapo, MPLA, Tanu,
etc. Mr Ssemogerere knows that that is not so. He was a member of the Cabinet
when I had to struggle to make them agree to Uganda hosting the ANC fighters in
Kaweweta, Ngoma.
There was a strong position in the Cabinet that our hosting the ANC would annoy
the South African Whites and the Western countries. Fortunately, people like Dr
Rugunda, the late Eriya Kategaya and others supported my position and we were
able to host the ANC fighters until their country won freedom.
I am, therefore, never against political parties. I am always against sectarian
parties – using religion and tribes. See the chaos that is generated in the
Middle East by this mistake; and even in North Africa. Parties that
opportunistically try to manipulate the identities of people rather than
crystallising the legitimate interests of the people are a disaster for any
country that has the misfortune to go through that experience. More, if
necessary, will be said on this later.
In his interview, Mzee Ssemogerere blames the NRM. He says: “Unfortunately, the
Musevenis continued with their fighting”. Here, Mzee Ssemogerere was saying
that we did not implement the Nairobi Agreement of power sharing with the
military government of my friend, Gen [Tito] Okello; and that it would have
been in the best interest of Uganda to continue with that agreement. We were,
therefore, in the wrong to continue fighting. Of course, we did not want to
continue fighting. We preferred peace.
However, we had made it categorically clear to the Okello side, which at that
time included Ssemogerere, that the NRM/NRA would not tolerate any massacres
any more. Remember there are 33 mass graves in the Luweero Triangle, each
containing about 2,000 skulls. These people were not killed in combat or
cross-fire; they were killed in cold-blood by the criminal soldiers.
Why kill non-combatants, prisoners of war, children, women, etc? These were
following the massacres of 1966 and the killings throughout Amin’s rule.
Extra-judicial killings by deliberate action of government agents had to stop.
It was compromise enough that we sat down and negotiated with elements of the
same army that committed these massacres with impunity.
It was part of the agreement that not only were the massacres to stop but the
ones who had committed them had to be held accountable. The massacres did not
stop. Massacres were carried out at Kibibi in Butambala and massacres were
carried out at Kasaala in Luweero. That was the end of that agreement.
We moved in to create a totally new situation for Uganda. That is what we did
and Ugandans can judge whether we created a better situation or not. Certainly,
the Ssemogereres and other multi-partyists could walk out of the Constituent
Assembly (CA), over constitutional arguments using their democratic right to do
so, while they stayed in the 1981-85 Parliament when Ugandans were being
massacred.
Then there is another statement by Mzee Ssemogerere that is not correct. He
says: “Ah, no. Museveni was on the retreat at the time. He was fleeing to the
Rwenzoris. He only bounced back after the coup by the Okellos”.
That is a falsehood. We did not flee to the Rwenzoris. We opened the 2nd Front
after we had successfully carried out gun-raising operations in Masindi
(February 20, 1984) and Kabamba (January 1, 1985).
We deployed the 11th battalion, under Chefe Ali, along with the sick, the
political wing and the civilian workers to the more easily defendable Rwenzori
Mountains; but kept the mailed fist of the NRA, the Mobile Brigade under Saleh
(1st battalion, 3rd battalion and 5th battalion) in the Luweero triangle.
The 7th battalion, under Kyaligonza, was in the Wabusana areas and 9th
battalion, under Kihanda, was in the Nkrumah area (Kiboga-Kyenkwanzi)
[Kyankwanzi]. It is the Mobile Brigade that, finally, defeated [John] Ogole and
Eric Odwar at the battle of Kembogo, along River Mayanja, on the 21st of June,
1985. It is those defeated troops that came back to Kampala and made the coup
of July.
Therefore, Ssemogerere’s statement is false. On the Western Front, the late
Fred Rwigyemera [Rwigyema]and the late Chefe Ali ambushed and killed Lt Col
Obot, commander of the UNLA forces in the west and overrun Rubona Stock Farm
where the UNLA had made a big camp, killing many soldiers of the government.
It was also in those days that the late Muammar Gadaffi dropped for us, by air,
800 rifles and one million rounds of ammunition. Where did the Libyan planes
drop the cargo, Mzee Ssemogerere? In the late Ruharo’s farm, in Nakaseke. Where
is Nakaseke? Certainly, not in the Rwenzori but in Luweero area.
Finally, Ssemogerere continues to misunderstand the role of the army in
national affairs. Countries have different histories. It is correct to say that
the army and public servants should not be partisan in politics. They should
not, however, be barred from taking part in national affairs – patriotism,
unity, stability, development, etc. Ideologically, our army is patriotic and
Pan-Africanist. Other armies are guided by different ideologies.
The main problem of the [Milton] Obote and [Idi] Amin armies were not even
partisanship. It was extra-judicial killings, looting of people’s properties,
raping women, sectarianism, etc. Countries with a history of resistance, always
have and should have the army playing some role in the national – not partisan
– affairs of the country.
In countries like China, the Soviet Union, South Africa, Angola, Namibia,
Mozambique, etc. you have former freedom fighters – some of them with a
military background ─ playing leading roles even in politics. Even in Western
countries such as the USA, you get Generals being elected as Presidents or
ministers: Eisenhower, Kennedy, Carter, Bush the elder, George Marshal, John
Kerry, etc. In fact, for a long time, service in the US military was a sine qua
non, of being elected to high political office.
If Ssemogerere could not see retired army officers in the past, he has got a
chance now; even Mzee Pangarasio Onek, retired peacefully after many years.
When the economy improves and we are able to look after the welfare of soldiers
and retired soldiers better, their life will be good.
The author is President of the Republic of Uganda. He is a retired General.
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