Simon Okurut Peter
When a law is written to go after hate let us kindly read it but understand it
than trying and so hard to make it fit what we need it to fit. I have followed
Uganda history for some time and I think what I have posted so far proves my
dear point all way from Mutesa as The President of Uganda to a senior citizen
as the current president. I have seen it all but that is the back ground I am
using to write. I decided to raise the issue of Acholis and violence because of
the many reports I got out of West Nile. I get more upset for to today there
are members in this forum stating that there was never a massacre in West Nile
and Acholis never killed anyone in West Nile. Well let us go to the facts as I
prefer to use them to back up my argument. One scholar explains the situation
she saw in South Sudan and she states in the following direct quote “Although
comprising members of the Uganda ethnic groups, UNLA was dominated by the
Acholi and Lango, groups which claim to have suffered the most under Amin and
which had demonstrated an abiding loyalty to Obote". Following the withdrawal
of the TPDF, a war of revenge was undertaken by UNLA, particularly affecting
the North-West Nile and Madi districts, the area and people most closely
associated with the government of Iddi Amin" The number of refugees from Amin's
regime were but a handful by comparison. Whereas formerly there was less than
2000 registered refugees in Sudan, in 1984 there was at least 300,000 refugees"
- Dr. Harrell-Bond. End quote. Now go on any website and search for her you
will find that she is among the most internationally respected authority on
refugee studies. Are we accusing her of hatting Acholis as well or she is just
stating the facts that we have been forced into?
Secondly in that history I have lived in Uganda, I will testify under oath that
Obote two government was removed from power by Acholis. And if you need
documentations littered all over the world to state so, kindly ask and I will
post them. The takeover of that government created several problems in our
country. {1} It created The Museveni’s government we are stuck with to today.
{2} There are those of us that loved that party and we wanted to support it in
our own districts, but Acholis threw a hole into it so large that anyone to
deny that the party is in trouble you must be kidding yourself. {3} It created
a clarification to many Ugandans that Acholis cannot be trusted. Think about
this, if they flipped against the very people they fought with, how close can
you be to them to trust them? To me that bothered me a great deal, and I am
not here to state that it must bother you. But what I am going to post in the
paragraph below bothered me and it must bother you as well.
When we sit in a forum as UAH we discuss matters of common concern, namely how
can we change our country to a better governance. To me that is the end goal of
everyone in this forum. So we discuss matters of importance for we trust each
other. Few days ago I stated that Gwokto and George Okello work for Uganda
government. I also raised a major concern that it was strange for Gwokto to
claim to oppose Uganda government when his own brother is a full Brigadier
called Paul Lokech. Gwokto responded that his brother was trained very well and
he deserves the position. That was never my concern. However few days after, I
think it was pOcure of L’aduna {Sorry I am not on my computer to cross check
the names} responded and advised us that actually many members of different
families end up working with governments we oppose. I do not know if this
individual understood my concern of the relationship between Gwokto and Uganda
government. And here is where I come from, in as much as we all oppose this
government and we write about it, when Uganda government officials visit North
America, they have specific homes into which they visit , and those visits are
private or you have to be invited to attend such. Among the high end officials
that have visited Gwokto’s home is Amama and Jacqueline Mbabazi. Peter that is
the point I start to get very uncomfortable because as an example, when Mbabazi
was fired from this government we all made all comments we so needed about that
firing, as Gwokto did, but we did not have the back ground that Mbabazi
actually visits his house if he is in this country. And we had every right to
know that back ground sir. Peter have you ever been a host of Mbabazi? When he
refused to make that information public he has already undermined the trust we
had in him, but what else does he know about this government that we do not
know? Again Obote two government was thrown out of power for Acholis were
telling only half the story sir.
Why should you be worried? Because African governments murder their nationals
in different countries using the same national of their countries working with
the governments under cover. Kigali never traveled to South Africa yet Rwandese
end up murdered. And here we are with names being listed of those that must be
very careful or they will be shot and threats being made by those working with
Uganda government under cover. This is not spreading hate this is posting facts
that I think are of value to all of us to know so that we understand the danger
we can easily face. And I would also continue that if your name has been listed
to be careful, please do not joke with that threat, if you have small kids
going to school kindly put a second eye on them because we have members in here
that are directly working with Uganda government.
And I have no other words to make this point more clearer than that.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
From: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
[mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2014 11:00 AM
To: [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: {UAH} (Abbey) UAH off Facebook
Gook,
Do you really regret that you would censure somebody who uses the forum to
spread hate? I think that would be right thing to do. Part of the reason the
Hutu extremists were able to spread hate against Tutsi and the Moderate Hutu
was use of the media (Radio). I still appeal to Abbey and colleagues to censure
people who spread hate about other tribes; I do not mind someone calling me a
resident idiot but when such is put against a whole tribe, that crosses a line
of tolerance because there is no way a whole tribe will consist of idiots or
murderers or thieves etc.
What Robert has seen in some of you listed below is a leadership quality that
foresees impact of hate and hence the need to stop it before it develops roots.
Peter Simon
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From: Gook < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]>
To: " <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]" <
<mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]>
Sent: Thursday, December 4, 2014 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: {UAH} (Abbey) UAH off Facebook
Atuhairwe,
I see you mention me again and camped me in the class of those you love to hate.
Much as that is your choice let me ask you just one thing.
You mentioned Jews and rightly pointed out hat the owner of FB is. Jew. You
also stated
"Zuckerberg is a Jew and Jews are forever discriminated
>
> against even when they prove a divine resource. As they defend their
> right to exist with dignity, they will act for others whenever those
> others are subjected to the same humiliation like themselves....."
Is this why they supported apartheid South Africa? Is this why they have camped
the Palestinians into an apartheid like situation and treat them like animals
killing their young old and sick?
I think you better leave out the Jews in your warped arguments. Jews as a
people are generally good people just like most people. The same cannot be said
of their government and or some of their political leaders.
The last time I checked i had a small part that I play in the administration of
this forum. I have never and will never advocate for your blacklisting and or
suspension from it.
Sir, we are not the enemy...your enemy is much closer to you than you think!
Sent from Gook's iPatch!
"What you are we once were, what we are you shall be!"
An inscription on the walls of a Roman catacomb.
On 4 dec 2014, at 13:12, Robert Atuhairwe < <mailto:[email protected]>
[email protected]> wrote:
> Anybody who cares to think twice is aware that virtual spaces or any
> medium that is hosted on radio waves isn't invincible as humans
> controlling it can change their mind anytime within their rules or
> extra-discretionarily. It's good to know rules in service and abide by
> them or ship out if they aren't in good taste.
>
> Looking at U.A.H, too many of the rules rolled out by Abbey are
> violated with abandon. Had the forum been in the hands of say G.
> Okello. Captain Rash, Frank M, T Owana, Robukui, Gook, Ogupit, Ekwel,
> Hern, Raj, to mention but a few; they would have depopulated the forum
> to near zero or shut it down when anybody says anything they don't
> like. Abbey is always more gracious but which is double-standards as
> one rule shouldn't supersede another.
>
> For example, one of his stipulations is that the Admin of U.A.H should
> never be criticized but guys go as far as exposing his backside and he
> is mum about it. Does anyone expect him to fight for their rights when
> he cannot fight for his own?
>
> People who openly speak tribal, racial, religious differentiation,
> etc, must never be tolerated. When i flag "TRIBALISM ISN'T AN ACTION,
> IT'S A STATEMENT!" it's not for decoration. Tribalists are those who
> speak and give prominence to what makes people different by their
> origin of belonging hence making it double hard for them to find
> common ground with others from elsewhere. A tribalist is one who
> celebrates such differences and uses public forums to make that known.
> Nobody acts tribal unless they say that's their criteria for selecting
> who to work or associate with.
>
> Those who hype on about Bangala this, Banyankole that are the
> tribalists-not those who appoint qualified people from their tribes,
> religions or races unless they first voice their disdain for others as
> many of our members here do.
>
> Why would anyone be surprised that such a forum is very close to the
> red switch? Zuckerberg is a Jew and Jews are forever discriminated
> against even when they prove a divine resource. As they defend their
> right to exist with dignity, they will act for others whenever those
> others are subjected to the same humiliation like themselves. They
> don't have to do advocacy for that. It's an inherent right. No need
> for warnings. It's starts small and grows malignant. And that places
> the sustainability of media platforms and organisations of open
> expression in utter jeopardy.
>
> Whoever contributes such writings of doom deserves an award for most
> vision-less blogger and those are quite many. Abbey, you have
> power-use it or lose it!
>
> Robert Atuhairwe
>
> On 12/3/14, 'joseph ochieno' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community
> < <mailto:[email protected]>
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> My brother Billie,
>> I agree that we should go slow in glorifying gunmen. How for instance would
>> anyone sing songs of praise for people who cut off peoples throats in
>> Luwero, roasted others Mukura, raped men in Acholi, bombed planes in Rwanda
>> and imported thugs in Congo DRC. And I have forgotten about the holidays in
>> South Sudan....
>> Ugandans, should really wake up but if sleep is good, at least begin to
>> believe in better.
>> Ochieno=======
>>
>> On Tuesday, 2 December 2014, 17:09, Billie Kadameri
>> < <mailto:[email protected]> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>
>> #yiv9845368517 #yiv9845368517 --.yiv9845368517hmmessage
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>>
>> Abbey,
>>
>> It is surprising to hear that Facebook is saying we are breaching rules.
>> However some comments and postings on UAH can be construed in some circles
>> to mean denial of genocide and war crimes which can be a reason to flag us
>> off.
>>
>> You know the members who have been glorified sadists and defending the
>> indefensible here. Whereas you may allow people to post views in the
>> interest of promoting debate and diverse views, te world today is very
>> sensitive to certain views.
>>
>> People like Abdoulaye Yerodia Ndombasi (the former ice president of DRC),
>> have pending arrest warrants against them in Europe simply for mentioning
>> publicly things seen to be promoting ethnic hatred. Let's go slow on
>> glorifying known killers in Africa such as Amin and Kony
>>
>> Billie
>>
>> --
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
> --
> "TRY TO GROW UP!" "EVERY BULLET THAT MISSES A SOLDIER CATCHES A
> CIVILIAN" "OKWANGALI IS A NINCOMPOOP!" "TRIBALISM IS NOT A DEED,
> EXCEPT OF SPEECH!" "A GENERAL WITHOUT AMBITION IS A CORPORAL"
>
> MEMBER OF THE VISIONARIES CLUB, THIRD AXIS
>
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