Robukui
Museveni is the very same thing with all those that removed the Iddi Amin’s
government from power. We have lived under the very same government since the
attack on Mutukula. Paul Muwanga, The military commission, Binayiisa, The
presidential commission, The Obote two government, The Tito Okello government,
The Museveni government all these were members of the Arusha conference that
created the war to remove Amin’s government. They are just splitting up each
other but at a time they all sat in Moshi to build what Uganda has become
today. Because most of those that sat in Moshi were criminals themselves, they
have created a bunch of criminals in Uganda, thieves looters and rapists. Those
three things never happened in Uganda under Iddi Amin’s government. And for a
very good reason, you see under Amin’s government we had a contract with our
children to take them to school and study but never get raped. My God I
remember when all girls were piled up in Nakivubo to study gymnastics they were
like Munyeera in Kampala, but not a single child was raped for normal people
don’t rape their own future. All that changed when these criminals walked into
Uganda. Yes we want a future of the country, and yes we need to plan what to do
after Museveni the tail of the Moshi conference leaves office. Any plan that we
build must have arresting criminals and charging them as a preamble. The
moment we fail to arrest but charge them, the next government will as well
become a part of The Moshi conference.
Ignore this advice at your very own peril.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Robukui .
Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2014 1:10 AM
To: UAH
Cc: [email protected]; G_NET
Subject: Re: {UAH} J RUBIN WHAT DID THE GEORGE OKELLO'S DO TO SAVE THESE LIVES?
Ingram,
Funny, if you posted to Mulindwa that robukui would get him as opposed to
Mulindwa will get Robukui, one of us would screem.
Ingram, Ugandans want a path after Museveni, political solidarity, federalism,
a real peace and reconciliation commission.
Ingram, I'm also fully aware that your comment, was by design.
Viele GruBe
Robukui
2014-12-06 21:32 GMT-08:00 'Ingram Kampe' via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>:
Robukui, Mulindwa will get you by your academic nonsense balls. What happened
before you avoid. Try to -be fair/-------------------------------------------
On Sat, 12/6/14, Robukui . <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >
wrote:
Subject: Re: {UAH} J RUBIN WHAT DID THE GEORGE OKELLO'S DO TO SAVE THESE LIVES?
To: "UAH" <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> >
Cc: [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> , "G_NET"
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >
Received: Saturday, December 6, 2014, 7:25 PM
Let’s
agree for argument sake that what I posted was
wrong,
Viele GruBeRobukui
2014-12-06 15:13
GMT-08:00 Herrn Edward Mulindwa <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >:
Jonny
Rubin What I posted had nothing with
provoking anybody, and this is why I many times rather
follow what I have posted with facts from out of the source.
George Okello can write everything he so can, he has so far
failed to stand up and inform us the plan his government set
in place to save the lives of these people. That is what I
need to hear from him. They removed Iddi Amin from power in
1979 and from that point till when Museveni came to power
they were in power. Let’s agree for argument sake that
what I posted was wrong, can we get a system that was
arranged by these friends when they were in power and many
people were dying? That is what I need to hear from George
Okello than the rest of kwarakwara he is pumping as usual.
Governments come to power to lead the people, when the
people die amass as happened in Kyotera and Rakai,
governments walk in and save them. I need George Okello to
educate us on the steps they took as a government, to save
the people of that region, then we will know how EM is a
liar and creating garbage in the forum, for you know what?
They abandoned our people and all of them died, next time
they will abandon yours too. In the PHD thesis under
Title Pragmatic
choices : research, politics and AIDS control in Uganda,
Author(s) F.J. Kinsman,Faculty FMG: Amsterdam Institute for
Social Science Research (AISSR) If you take a moment to
read the table on page 210, you will see the timeline of HIV
in Uganda and how the governments of these friends all
refused to do a God dman thing about it, but that table also
took a moment to indicate, that in 1979 as soon as Masaka
was taken, chaos followed up very immediately with looting
and rape. These are not my words these are words of a man
that is not a Ugandan, and is not against Acholi’s, these
are facts. Note also that when I posted the piece about
Kalule road block I also complained about chaos loot and
rape again by Acholi’s. When I posted the Ombaci massacre
report, West Nile people were complaining about chaos loot
and rape. Are we all anti Acholi’s for God’s sakes or we
have a very systematic problem we need to address here?
Ge’ez !!!!!!!! As people were dying massively, the only
thing the George Okellos did in Uganda was fight and fight
and fight. The table on page 210 is attached
below for your perusal sir. International National (Uganda)
Local (Masaka-Rakai area)1978 - Alma Ata
Declaration:“Health for all by the year
2000” - Idi Amin invades Kagera Salient,
Tanzania, and provokes war 1979 - Idi Amin ousted - Tanzanian
troops respond to invasion, crossing into Uganda from
Kagera - Masaka town razed by Tanzanian
troops – chaos, looting and
rape 1980 - Civil War
ongoing 1981 - World’s first published
report of AIDS, in USA- Civil War
ongoing 1982 - Civil War ongoing -
84 cases of ‘Slim’ registered in Masaka’s Kitovu
Hospital 1983 - Virus that causes AIDS
discovered by Luc Montagnier – named
LAV.- Recognition of AIDS in
Zaire- Civil War
ongoing- Anne Bailey speaks in Kampala of
an increase in Atypical Kaposi’s Sarcoma in
Zambia1984 - ‘Another’ AIDS virus
discovered by Robert Gallo –named
HTLV-III- Civil War
ongoing- Wilson Carswell establishes that
HTLV-III exists in Uganda- November: First official report
of ‘Slim’ in Rakai sent to Kampala; no action
taken- December: article about Slim in
Rakai appears in The Star
newspaper1985 - Civil War
ongoing- ‘Slim’ most common cause of
death at Mulago national referral hospital in
Kampala- 10% of pregnant women attending
Mulago HTLV-IIIpositive- February: investigative team
from Ministry of Health concludes that ‘Slim’ is
typhoid- October: Seminal article
published in The Lancet detailing ‘Slim’ in Masaka.
‘Slim’ and ‘AIDS’ said to be different
entities1986 - Consensus attained that LAV
and HTLV-III are the same virus – renamed
HIV- January: Yoweri Museveni takes
power- June: Blood screening begins in
Nsambya Hospital, Kampala- October: National Committee for
the Prevention and ControlEMOn the 49th
Parallel Thé
Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza
Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa
Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza
Besigye, Uganda ni katika machafuko"
From: Jonny Rubin [mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
]
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Subject: Re: Fwd: Delivery Status Notification
(Failure) Mr. George
Okello, The majority of the
forumists don't even comment or state what they suspect
of some postings' purpose. The moment I read Mr.
Mulindwa's report, I noticed that his purpose was to
provoke the Acholi, or probably the Langi of whom you are
one. In my posting, I hoped
that others too understood that Mr. Mulindwa's report
bore no truth at all, but a mere
provocation. I mentioned the
statement Dr. Obote made at his campaign in which he said
that he fought better with his pen. With this in mind, I
immediately realised that Mr. Mulindwa is also retaliating
with false reports like this one in
question. Mr. George Okello, if
my statement offended you in any way, I
apologise.
BJ. Rubin. On Saturday, 6
December 2014, 22:06, George Okello <[email protected]
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Sorry
Reverend Joseph
Kamugisha, On this
subject of Dr Wilson Carswell being deported from Uganda by
Acholis in six hours, I just wanted to remind you of the
Observer article by the late Archbishop Luwum's
secertary that Edward Mulindwa posted here without reading,
or if he read, without understanding for he thought that he
now had discovered solid evidence that the Archbishop
planned a coup against the Amin regime. He realised later
that what he posted totally destroyed his fairy tales and
just confirmed what a monster Idi Amin really was. I thought
he had leart his lesson, but wapi. Here he is again quoting
Dr Wilson Carswell, who he says was so committed to his
scientific reasearch that Acholi's expelled him from
Uganda. As I have pointed out, Dr Carswell was deported by
Dr Ruhakana Rugunda under the orders of Yoweri Museveni in
1987. I can see now why Mulindwa does not have a trade or
profession. He defeats his own arguments without anyone even
atempting to critically examine them. Whatever he says about
Dr Carswell now hits him like shit in the
face. George
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quoted-printableReverend Kamugisha and Johny Rubin.
First of all I think Jonny Rubin should not comment on
matters he has very
little understanding of.
About the stupidity of Edward Mulindwa and why I am
outtraged that Abbey
Semuwamba gives him space to write on matters that he is
totally ignorant
about, look at his statement that Dr Wilson Carswell, the
Scottish doctor
who pioneered HIV Reasearch in Uganda was deported from
Uganda by Acholis
in only six hours.
The fact is, Johny Rubin, Dr Wilson Carswell was deported
from Uganda in
1987 under the orders of Dr Ruhakana Rugunda, his former
student at the
Mulago Medical School. Dr Rugunda was then Minister of
Health. He acted on
the orders of Yoweri Museveni because Dr Carswell had just
published his
ground-breaking research on HIV/AIDS in Uganda without
getting permission
from the Ministry of Health, which then employed him.. He
lifted the lid on
the prevalence of the disease. His research had shown that
in Kitovu
hospital in Masaka, 6 out of 10 pregnant women were HIV
positive. Dr
Carswell's revelation outraged Museveni so much that he
accused him of
being a threat to national security and he ordered Dr
Rugunda to expell him
Dr Wilson had done his reaserach throughout the Amin and
Obote 2
governments, amidst great difficulty, but no one thought of
deporting such
an eminent scientist, who was making such a huge
contribution in the battle
against HIV/AIDS.
Johny Rubin, please note that I don't suffer fools
gladly. When you write
something to me or about me, be sure of your facts. Please
read Dr
Carswel'sl autobiography and many other great research
carried out by
serious academics if you want accurate knowledge on HIV/AIDS
in Uganda. You
are wating your time bothering with the garbage Mulindwa
writes. I have no
clue why Mulindwa wants to write on topics he knows nothing
about. I am not
a nuclear scientist and I would not give any opinion on
quantum physics,
simply because my knowledge of it is very scanty. But
Mullindwa insists on
giving an opinion on everything, even on matters that are
totally beyond
his intellectual capacity. WE have people on this forum,
like Dr Jabendo,
Dr Kipenji and others who have worked directly on HIV/AIDS
issues for the
last 20 years or more. Those are the people you should learn
from rather
than a nutter like Mulindwa.
Next time don't write to me unless you have something
constructive to say.
George Okello
On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 4:53 PM, Jonny Rubin <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> >
wrote:
> Fellow Ugandans At Heart,
>
> I cannot possibly guess what anyone else has in mind
after reading this>
report by Mr. Edward Mulindwa and the response from Mr.
George Okello but=
,
> it threw my memory back to the 1980 General Elections
in Uganda.
>
> As Dr. Apollo Milton Obote was campagning, some people
wanted to know how
> he contributed to the "liberation war" and
the questions were directed to
> him. The people told him that they heard of the
soldiers who fought, but
> his name was never heard among them. At that point, Dr.
Obote showed the
> people a pen and said that with that pen, he fought
better than the
> soldiers.
>
> Fellow UAH, I don't know whether anyone else has
noticed what is going on=
,
> but I wish the time for what I think the purpose for
the report was, coul=
d
> have been used to find unity for the good of our
country, Uganda.
>
>
BJ.
> Rubin.
>
>
> On Saturday, 6 December 2014, 12:49, George Okello
<[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >
> wrote:
>
>
> Robert Atuhairwe and Comrade Robukui,
>
> On the question of QUALITY, do you require any further
evidence of the
> total failure of UAH and why it seems to be set on a
path of mediocrity,
> ridicule and and laughter than this rambling
absurdity of an article by
> Edward Mulindwa? How can anybody take UAH seriously
when they read this
> nonsense by Edward Mulindwa? And we have just had World
Aids Day, just th=
is
> 1st December. Tell me the truth, would any moderator
anywhere in the worl=
d
> allow this banal absurdity to be posted? If you Rpobert
or Robukui were a
> Moderator or Editor of a magazine, would you publish
this nonsense, even =
if
> you had nothing else to publish? Semuwamba's task
gets even harder, I can
> see now, unless he begins to get serious about the task
required of a
> competent Editor or Moderator of a serious website. Our
health economy is
> one of the most critical issues any competent
government in Uganda must
> deal with but how on earth is Mr Semuwamba going to
attract serious
> commentators on HIV and its socio-economic and
political impact on Uganda
> when they read such garbage? A lot of people have done
tremendous work ov=
er
> the years to provide Ugandans with proper information
on HIV/AIDS. Almost
> all of them will be very embarrassed to read this piece
by Mulindwa. It
> just makes me wonder why people like Hannah Ogwapitti
call UAH a serious
> blog? Makes you wonder.
>
> George Okello
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: *Herrn Edward Mulindwa* <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> >
> Date: Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 10:04 AM
> Subject: {UAH} IDDI AMIN NEVER TARGETED LANGIs/ACHOLIs,
THEY TARGETED HIM
> { ---------=EF=83=A0Series seventeen }
> To: [email protected]
> <mailto:[email protected]> ,
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> ,
> [email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
>
>
> Friends
>
> In 2014 we as society have got a very good
understanding on how the HIV
> virus operates but survives. It is transmitted through
bodily fluids
> transmission/exchange, either through sexual contact or
contaminated need=
le
> usage. We as well know that it is not air-borne and
cannot be transmitted
> by a simple kiss. We as well know that it is currently
a controllable
> disease and many live through it and live a productive
full life. When Id=
di
> Amin=E2=80=99s government was removed out of power come
1979, Uganda was =
HIV free
> country. As Acholis came from Tanzania we started to
get a massive
> infection in areas that they took control of, and it
came in following th=
em
> as they moved from Mutukula devastating massively many
villages all way
> from Mutukula, Rakai, Kyotera into Masaka. The death
toll especially Raka=
i
> and Kyotera was devastating for it was not only killing
individuals but
> erasing entire homes from villages to villages. On
driving from village t=
o
> village one would find little pieces of clothes tied
on doorways from
> house to house as a sign that this house was erased,
and that house was
> erased by the disease. Because we never knew what was
HIV various names o=
f
> the cause of death in the region were used, for example
Mukenenya or
> Kakendeeza. Bottom line families after families were
infected by an unkno=
wn
> disease start to shrink but die amass. Today we know it
was HIV and in th=
is
> series I need to raise a couple of very important
points on how these
> Ugandans we just neglected but died. In so doing I am
going to be using
> what we did not know then in combination to what we
currently know about
> the monster disease.
>
> There are very troubling issues about the HIV cluster
in Kyotera and
> Rakai, it is bothersome to find its original starting
point, for to argue
> that it came with Tanzanian soldiers, at a time there
was never an HIV
> known cluster in Tanzania, there were very many Acholis
and Langis that
> were camped into Tanzania who came back to Uganda, if
there was a cluster
> in Tanzania, then it would have exploded in Northern
Uganda than in Rakai
> and Kyotera. But we would have got a very large number
of Tanzanian
> soldiers infected yet they were not, this cluster just
showed up in Rakai
> and Kyotera and devastated the area massively. It as
well did not develop
> going back to Tanzania, or we would have got a massive
deaths In Tanzania
> as we did in the Uganda cluster yet we did not see that
happening either.
> When you agree that it is a sexually transmitted
disease, then it should
> have happened in urban centers where there was a
massive sexual activity,
> places like Kampala, Jinja, Iganga, Masaka, Mbarara let
alone Fort Portal=
.
> There was a great joke as we lived in Uganda that the
moment you leave
> Masaka and head into Kyotera without a girl you will
never get any woman
> until when you get out. This is because that region was
a true Baganda
> culturally built region, one man one wife based and
very highly religious=
ly
> Catholic, that no one would even dare to date any one.
It is a known fact
> that Rakai and Kyotera produced the most virgin women
in the country for
> there was hardly any sexual activity in the region, for
it was a very
> Catholic based region, and yet that is the very place
HIV decided to
> massively devastate.
>
> If you use an argument that foreigners introduced it to
the society, then
> it would have started from places like Bugiri Iganga
Busembatia where you
> owned a massive in transit population, but at a time,
Uganda Tanzania
> boarder was closed almost throughout Amin=E2=80=99s
government, so we had
> absolutely no population movement from Tanzania to
Uganda until when the
> boarder was forcefully opened by the war. There are
move very troubling
> factors on the Rakai Kyotera cluster, if HIV is
sexually transmitted, the=
n
> today we would have got HIV orphans from Rakai and
Kyotera. In every fami=
ly
> you look at you have the parents that are sexually
active, but the childr=
en
> are not sexually active, so one would expect the
parents to die of the
> uncontrolled disease, but the children would have
remained alive for they
> are not sexually active. The cluster of Rakai and
Kyotera wiped out entir=
e
> families, the fathers died, the mothers died, how do
you explain the deat=
hs
> of the children who were between the age of 5 to age 15
at the removal of
> Iddi Amin? They were too old to breast feed but they
were too young to be
> sexually active, why did it kill them? Why did it kill
Grandparents that
> were senior citizens at the exit of Iddi Amin? Were we
screwing 60=E2=80=
=99s 70=E2=80=99s
> 80=E2=80=99s and 90 year olds in Uganda? And all I am
trying to argue her=
e is the
> connection in the family structure of the connection in
infection that
> happens in a family of an infected family so that a
father dies, a mother
> dies, and all children die with the grandparents dying,
were the parents
> screwing their own children and their parents to infect
them, and then th=
e
> entire generations in the family ends up wiped out? And
this happened in =
a
> region so religiously controlled and has the least
sexual activity, how
> does this make sense to you? And yet tens of thousands
of Ugandans, most
> of whom were Baganda, lost their lives under the
disease which just
> decided to show up in the area as soon as Acholis took
control over it?
> -> {Quite
bizarre} is the term I must incorporate
> term here.
>
> Friends the HIV cluster in Kyotera is a very complex
issue that I cannot
> dare write about, for when I use common sense and the
knowledge we have
> today about the disease my reasoning simply does not
add up, yet tens of
> thousands of our people especially Baganda lost their
lives, and we simpl=
y
> closed off their villages and we walked away, the war
continued on to
> Kampala, the cluster remained in Kyotera and Rakai
never devastating the
> rest of the country as it so did in the source, till
when we started to
> control the disease and then rebuilt the region. What
seems to make sense
> out of what we know is that it is true HIV is largely
sexually
> transmitted, but the very original cluster in Kyotera
was manually
> transmitted, and when it reached into the population,
we transmitted it
> sexually then it started to spread as a wild fire. That
cluster has
> absolutely no origin but to just show up in areas that
Amin lost control
> because there is no backward infection in any part of
Tanzania let alone
> forward in Uganda. Which brings us to who would
manually infect the peopl=
e
> of Rakai and Kyotera? We simply do not know. Was this
disease used as a
> part of the meat-grinder that I explained about in the
last series? I
> honestly do not know. Did Acholis bring it and manually
infect it to the
> populace that came under their control? I simply do not
know that either.
> Was it manually thrown into the population through
medical systems by tho=
se
> that wanted to eliminate all adults that have learnt
about nationalism fr=
om
> I did Amin, and The Acholis simply did not know what
was going on? Again =
I
> am repeating my very standard response, I simply do not
know. Bottom line=
I
> have a whole whack of villages of Baganda families that
were wiped off
> earth and I cannot put my finger on how they got
infected. And my not
> having an answer to how the virus created a controlled
cluster in the are=
a
> is simply not helped because among the Acholis that
came out of Tanzania =
to
> attack and remove The Iddi Amin=E2=80=99s government,
not a single one of=
them is
> talking. When Amin was in power all administration
systems were working a=
ll
> way to Mutukula, as Acholis attacked Uganda from
Mutukula into Masaka,
> Uganda government started to lose control of the region
as the war
> progresses, the disease progressed as the war
progressed, and to the day =
of
> this writing, the Acholis that controlled the taken
over areas decided to
> keep quiet about anything that happened in between the
attack of Uganda t=
o
> the exit of Iddi Amin from office, for all information
they have is very
> highly classified. I am dedicating this series to the
tens of thousands o=
f
> Ugandans that lost their lives into the HIV cluster of
Kyotera and Rakai,
> who we all just forgot and simply walked away.
>
>
> *Stay in the forum for Series eighteen is on the way
** ------>*
>
> EM
> On the 49th Parallel
> Th=C3=A9 Mulindwas
Communication Group
> "With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza
Besigye, Uganda is in
> anarchy"
> Kuungana Mulindwa
Mawasiliano Kikundi
> "Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk.
Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni
> katika machafuko"
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<div>Reverend Kamugisha and Johny Rubin.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>First of all I think Jonny Rubin should not
comment on matters he has =
very little understanding of.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>About the stupidity of Edward Mulindwa and why I
am outtraged that Abb=
ey Semuwamba gives him space to write on matters that he is
totally ignoran=
t about, look at his statement that Dr Wilson Carswell, the
Scottish doctor=
who pioneered HIV Reasearch in Uganda was deported from
Uganda by Acholis =
in only six hours.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>The fact is, Johny Rubin, Dr Wilson Carswell was
deported from Uganda =
in 1987 under the orders of Dr Ruhakana Rugunda, his former
student at the =
Mulago Medical School. Dr Rugunda was then Minister of
Health. He acted on =
the orders of Yoweri Museveni because Dr Carswell had just
published his gr=
ound-breaking research on HIV/AIDS in Uganda without getting
permission fro=
m the Ministry of Health, which then employed him.. He
lifted the lid on th=
e prevalence of the disease. His research had shown that in
Kitovu hospital=
in Masaka, 6 out of 10 pregnant women were HIV positive.
Dr Carswell's=
revelation outraged Museveni so much that he accused him
of being a threat=
to national security and he ordered Dr Rugunda to expell
him Dr Wilson had=
done his reaserach throughout the Amin and Obote 2
governments, amidst gre=
at difficulty, but no one thought of deporting such an
eminent scientist, w=
ho was making such a huge contribution in the battle against
HIV/AIDS.</div=
>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Johny Rubin, please note that I don't
suffer fools gladly. When yo=
u write something to me or about me, be sure of your facts.
Please read Dr =
Carswel'sl autobiography and many other great
research carried out by s=
erious academics if you want accurate knowledge on HIV/AIDS
in Uganda. You =
are wating your time bothering with the garbage Mulindwa
writes. I have no =
clue why Mulindwa wants to write on topics he knows nothing
about. I am not=
a nuclear scientist and I would not give any opinion on
quantum physics, s=
imply because my knowledge of it is very scanty. But
Mullindwa insists on g=
iving an opinion on everything, even on matters that are
totally beyond his=
intellectual capacity. WE have people on this forum, like
Dr Jabendo, Dr K=
ipenji and others who have worked directly on HIV/AIDS
issues for the last =
20 years or more. Those are the people you should learn from
rather than a =
nutter like Mulindwa.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>Next time don't write to me unless you
have something constructive=
to say.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>George Okello<br></div>
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Dec 6,
2014 at 4:53 PM, Jonny Rubin <spa=
n dir=3D"ltr"><<a
href=3D"mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> "
target=3D"_blank=
">[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> </a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote style=3D"BORDER-LEFT:#ccc 1px
solid;MARGIN:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;PA=
DDING-LEFT:1ex" class=3D"gmail_quote">
<div>
<div
style=3D"BACKGROUND-COLOR:#fff;FONT-FAMILY:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica
Neu=
e,Helvetica,Arial,Lucida
Grande,Sans-Serif;COLOR:#000;FONT-SIZE:12px">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span>Fellow Ugandans
At Heart,</span></div>
<div
dir=3D"ltr"><span><br></span></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span>I cannot
possibly guess what anyone else has in mind=
after reading this report by Mr. Edward Mulindwa and the
response from Mr.=
George Okello but, it threw my memory back to the 1980
General Elections i=
n Uganda.</span></div>
<div
dir=3D"ltr"><span><br></span></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span>As Dr. Apollo
Milton Obote was campagning, some peop=
le wanted to know how he contributed to the
"liberation war" and =
the questions were directed to him. The people told him that
they heard of =
the soldiers who fought, but his name was never heard among
them. At that p=
oint, Dr. Obote showed the people a pen and said that with
that pen, he fou=
ght better than the soldiers.</span></div>
<div
dir=3D"ltr"><span><br></span></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span>Fellow UAH, I
don't know whether anyone else has=
noticed what is going on, but I wish the time for what I
think the purpose=
for the report was, could have been used to find unity for
the good of our=
country, Uganda.</span></div>
<div
dir=3D"ltr"><span><br></span></div>
<div dir=3D"ltr"><span>=C2=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=
=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 BJ.
Rubin.</span></div>
<div>
<div class=3D"h5">
<div><br><br></div>
<div style=3D"DISPLAY:block">
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica
Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Luci=
da Grande,Sans-Serif;FONT-SIZE:12px">
<div style=3D"FONT-FAMILY:HelveticaNeue,Helvetica
Neue,Helvetica,Arial,Luci=
da Grande,Sans-Serif;FONT-SIZE:16px">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><font
face=3D"Arial">On Saturday, 6 December 2014,
12:49, =
George Okello <<a href=3D"mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> "
target=3D"_blank">op=
[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> </a>>
wrote:<br></font></div><br><br>
<div>
<div>
<div>Robert Atuhairwe and Comrade
Robukui,</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>On the question of QUALITY, do you require any
further evidence of the=
total failure of UAH and why it seems to be set on a path
of mediocrity, r=
idicule and =C2=A0and laughter than this rambling absurdity
of an article b=
y Edward Mulindwa? How can anybody take UAH seriously when
they read this n=
onsense by Edward Mulindwa? And we have just had World Aids
Day, just this =
1st December. Tell me the truth, would any moderator
anywhere in the world =
allow this banal absurdity to be posted? If you Rpobert or
Robukui were a M=
oderator or Editor of a magazine, would you publish this
nonsense, even if =
you had nothing else to publish? Semuwamba's task
gets even harder, I c=
an see now, unless he begins to get serious about the task
required of a co=
mpetent Editor or Moderator of a serious website. Our health
economy is one=
of the most critical issues any competent government in
Uganda must deal w=
ith but how on earth is Mr Semuwamba=C2=A0 going to attract
serious comment=
ators on HIV and its socio-economic and political impact on
Uganda when the=
y read such garbage? A lot of people have done tremendous
work over the yea=
rs to provide Ugandans with proper information on HIV/AIDS.
Almost all of t=
hem will be very embarrassed to read this piece by Mulindwa.
It just makes =
me wonder why people like Hannah Ogwapitti call UAH a
serious blog? Makes y=
ou wonder.</div>
<div>=C2=A0</div>
<div>George Okello<br></div>
<div>---------- Forwarded message
----------<br>From: <b>Herrn Edward Mulin=
dwa</b> <span
dir=3D"ltr"><<a
href=3D"mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> "
rel=3D"no=
follow" target=3D"_blank">[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>
</a>></span><br>Date:
Sat, Dec=
6, 2014 at 10:04 AM<br>Subject: {UAH} IDDI AMIN
NEVER TARGETED LANGIs/ACHO=
LIs, THEY TARGETED HIM { ---------=EF=83=A0Series seventeen
}<br>To: <a hre=
f=3D"mailto:[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> "
rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"=
_blank">[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]> </a>,
<a href=3D"mailto:UGANDACOM <mailto:UGANDACOM> =
@yahoogroups.com <http://yahoogroups.com> "
rel=3D"nofollow"
target=3D"_blank">UGANDACOM@yahoogroups.=
com</a>, <a href=3D"mailto:[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> "
rel=3D"nofollow" target=3D"_b=
lank">[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]> </a><br><br><br>
<div lang=3D"EN-US">
<div>
<div><span
style=3D"FONT-SIZE:14pt">Friends<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div><span
style=3D"FONT-SIZE:14pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></div>
<div><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:14pt">In
2014 we as society have got a very g=
ood understanding on how the HIV virus operates but
survives. It is transmi=
tted through bodily fluids transmission/exchange, either
through sexual con=
tact or contaminated needle usage. We as well know that it
is not air-borne=
and cannot be transmitted by a simple kiss. We as well
know that it is cur=
rently a controllable disease and many live through it and
live a productiv=
e full life. When Iddi Amin=E2=80=99s government was removed
out of power c=
ome 1979, Uganda was HIV free country. As Acholis came from
Tanzania we sta=
rted to get a massive infection in areas that they took
control of, and it =
came in following them as they moved from Mutukula
devastating massively ma=
ny villages all way from Mutukula, Rakai, Kyotera into
Masaka. The death to=
ll especially Rakai and Kyotera was devastating for it was
not only killing=
individuals but erasing entire homes from villages to
villages. On driving=
from village to village=C2=A0 one would find little pieces
of clothes tied=
on doorways from house to house as a sign that this house
was erased, and =
that house was erased by the disease. Because we never knew
what was HIV va=
rious names of the cause of death in the region were used,
for example Muke=
nenya or Kakendeeza. Bottom line families after families
were infected by a=
n unknown disease start to shrink but die amass. Today we
know it was HIV a=
nd in this series I need to raise a couple of very important
points on how =
these Ugandans we just neglected but died. In so doing I am
going to be usi=
ng what we did not know then in combination to what we
currently know about=
the monster
disease.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div><span
style=3D"FONT-SIZE:14pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></div>
<div><span
style=3D"FONT-SIZE:14pt">There are very
troubling issues about t=
he HIV cluster in Kyotera and Rakai, it is bothersome to
find its original =
starting point, for to argue that it came with Tanzanian
soldiers, at a tim=
e there was never an HIV known cluster in Tanzania, there
were very many Ac=
holis and Langis that were camped into Tanzania who came
back to Uganda, if=
there was a cluster in Tanzania, then it would have
exploded in Northern U=
ganda than in Rakai and Kyotera. But we would have got a
very large number =
of Tanzanian soldiers infected yet they were not, this
cluster just showed =
up in Rakai and Kyotera and devastated the area massively.
It as well did n=
ot develop going back to Tanzania, or we would have got a
massive deaths In=
Tanzania as we did in the Uganda cluster yet we did not
see that happening=
either. When you agree that it is a sexually transmitted
disease, then it =
should have happened in urban centers where there was a
massive sexual acti=
vity, places like Kampala, Jinja, Iganga, Masaka, Mbarara
let alone Fort Po=
rtal. There was a=C2=A0 great joke as we lived in Uganda
that the moment yo=
u leave Masaka and head into Kyotera without a girl you will
never get any =
woman until when you get out. This is because that region
was a true Bagand=
a culturally built region, one man one wife based and very
highly religious=
ly Catholic, that no one would even dare to date any one. It
is a known fac=
t that Rakai and Kyotera produced the most virgin women in
the country for =
there was hardly any sexual activity in the region, for it
was a very Catho=
lic based region, and yet that is the very place HIV decided
to massively d=
evastate.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div><span
style=3D"FONT-SIZE:14pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></div>
<div><span style=3D"FONT-SIZE:14pt">If
you use an argument that foreigners =
introduced it to the society, then it would have started
from places like B=
ugiri Iganga Busembatia where you owned a massive in transit
population, bu=
t at a time, Uganda Tanzania boarder was closed almost
throughout Amin=E2=
=80=99s government, so we had absolutely no population
movement from Tanzan=
ia to Uganda until when the boarder was forcefully opened by
the war. There=
are move very troubling factors on the Rakai Kyotera
cluster, if HIV is se=
xually transmitted, then today we would have got HIV orphans
from Rakai and=
Kyotera. In every family you look at you have the parents
that are sexuall=
y active, but the children are not sexually active, so one
would expect the=
parents to die of the uncontrolled disease, but the
children would have re=
mained alive for they are not sexually active. The cluster
of Rakai and Kyo=
tera wiped out entire families, the fathers died, the
mothers died, how do =
you explain the deaths of the children who were between the
age of 5 to age=
15 at the removal of Iddi Amin? They were too old to
breast feed but they =
were too young to be sexually active, why did it kill them?
Why did it kill=
Grandparents that were senior citizens at the exit of Iddi
Amin? Were we s=
crewing 60=E2=80=99s 70=E2=80=99s 80=E2=80=99s and 90 year
olds in Uganda? =
And all I am trying to argue here is the connection in the
family structure=
of the connection in infection that happens in a family of
an infected fam=
ily so that a father dies, a mother dies, and all children
die with the gra=
ndparents dying, were the parents screwing their own
children and their par=
ents to infect them, and then the entire generations in the
family ends up =
wiped out? And this happened in a region so religiously
controlled and has =
the least sexual activity, how does this make sense to you?
And yet tens of=
thousands of Ugandans,=C2=A0 most of whom were Baganda,
=C2=A0lost their l=
ives under the disease which just decided to show up in the
area as soon as=
Acholis took control over it?=C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0-> {Quite bizarre}
is the term I must i=
ncorporate term
here.<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div><span
style=3D"FONT-SIZE:14pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></div>
<div><span
style=3D"FONT-SIZE:14pt">Friends the HIV
cluster in Kyotera is a=
very complex issue that I cannot dare write about, for
when I use common s=
ense and the knowledge we have today about the disease my
reasoning simply =
does not add up, yet tens of thousands of our people
especially Baganda los=
t their lives, and we simply closed=C2=A0 off their villages
and we walked =
away, the war continued on to Kampala, the cluster remained
in Kyotera and =
Rakai never devastating the rest of the country as it so did
in the source,=
till when we started to control the disease and then
rebuilt the region. W=
hat seems to make sense out of what we know=C2=A0 is that it
is true HIV is=
largely sexually transmitted, but the very original
cluster in Kyotera was=
manually transmitted, and when it reached into the
population, we transmit=
ted it sexually then it started to spread as a wild fire.
That cluster has =
absolutely no origin but to just show up in areas that Amin
lost control be=
cause there is no backward infection in any part of Tanzania
let alone forw=
ard in Uganda. Which brings us to who would manually infect
the people of R=
akai and Kyotera? We simply do not know. Was this disease
used as a part of=
the meat-grinder that I explained about in the last
series? I honestly do =
not know. Did Acholis bring it and manually infect it to the
populace that =
came under their control? I simply do not know that either.
Was it manually=
thrown into the population through medical systems by
those that wanted to=
eliminate all adults that have learnt about nationalism
from I did Amin, a=
nd The Acholis simply did not know what was going on? Again
I am repeating =
my very standard response, I simply do not know. Bottom line
I have a whole=
whack of villages of Baganda families that were wiped off
earth and I cann=
ot put my finger on how they got infected. And my not having
an answer to h=
ow the virus created a controlled cluster in the area is
simply not helped =
because among the Acholis that came out of Tanzania to
attack and remove Th=
e Iddi Amin=E2=80=99s government, not a single one of them
is talking. When=
Amin was in power all administration systems were working
all way to Mutuk=
ula, as Acholis attacked Uganda from Mutukula into Masaka,
Uganda governmen=
t started to lose control of the region as the war
progresses, the disease =
progressed as the war progressed, and to the day of this
writing, the Achol=
is that controlled the taken over areas decided to keep
quiet about anythin=
g that happened in between the attack of Uganda to the exit
of Iddi Amin fr=
om office, for all information they have is very highly
classified. I am de=
dicating this series to the tens of thousands of Ugandans
that lost their l=
ives into the HIV cluster of Kyotera and Rakai, who we all
just forgot and =
simply walked away.
<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div><span
style=3D"FONT-SIZE:14pt"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></div>
<div><span
style=3D"FONT-SIZE:14pt">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></div>
<div
style=3D"BACKGROUND:white"><i><u><span
style=3D"COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:=
14pt">Stay in the forum for Series eighteen is on
the way =C2=A0</span></u>=
</i><i><span
style=3D"COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:14pt">=C2=A0------></span></=
i><span
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<div><span
style=3D"COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:14pt">On the
49<sup>th</sup> Para=
llel=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0</span><spa=
n
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<div><span
style=3D"COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:14pt">=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=
=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=
Th=C3=A9 Mulindwas Communication
Group<br>"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssaba=
ssajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in
anarchy"<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =
=C2=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0
=
=C2=A0</span><span
style=3D"COLOR:black;FONT-SIZE:14pt"
lang=3D"SW">Kuungan=
a Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi<br>"Pamoja na
Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassa=
jja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko" <span><font colo=
r=3D"#888888"><u></u><u></u></font></span></span></div></div></div><span><f=
ont color=3D"#888888">
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