Ingram Kampe
And I apologize for taking this long to respond, it has been very hectic to
find a moment and sit on the PC. So let us get this out of the way and in so
doing because you are raising issues I have already responded to, I am going to
try and be slow so that your degree can allow you to understand the situation
we have in Northern Uganda. Let us start with the numbers that all Ugandans
have denied to look at. When Acholi started violence against their very own
people (Which you sit in your comfort chair and define as acts of few
criminals) there were 251 camps across 11 Districts, these camps held so many
people that a single camp as Pabo had a total of 64,000 people. Now those are
not my numbers but numbers of William Spindler a UN spokesperson. And George
Okello if you so need to call Spindler and complain that I have used his name
let me know I will hand you his phone number. When you hold so many camps with
so many people you actually remain with no one free. If all that were camped we
have 80% of women raped, no intelligent man can stand up and use a reasoning of
we have a few criminals in Acholi but everything is alright. You are giving
people a very false hope a hope degree holders gave Ugandans that the Obote two
government was stable when every single non degree holder I know clearly knew
that the government was in palliative care from get go.
When you look closely at Acholi violence, it has created an international
interest for no one ever knew that a human being can be that violent. What
Acholi have done to their very own people was never seen in Cambodia let alone
Vietnam. It had to raise the international interest to understand how cruel man
can ever become. They flew into Gulu in flocks to witness the strength of the
most violent human beings so far known on earth. Most of the universities in
Ontario here flew into Gulu to as small as University of Windsor. As far as I
know all Western countries and some Eastern countries sent expatriates to study
how low man can become violent. I was reading a thesis written by a student of
Lund University in Sweden, and they went to a town called Ngeta, just North of
Lira. They found a family that came face to face to Kony soldiers, and their
story was very telling why the series must be read by every Ugandan.
A woman in Ngeta was walking with her two kids, a son that was 8 and a daughter
that is 4, they stopped and asked her to hand over the eight year old to go
with them. She refused and she created why they defined as a tantrum. Acholi
pulled a 4 year old daughter from the hands of her mother and gang raped her in
front her and in front of the son that is 8 year old. Acholi gang raped this 4
year old Acholi girl till when it died. The son started to walk before they
even asked him to go and they took him. The mother killed herself. Ingram these
are people and cases you call a minor criminals. Why don’t we have a single
arrested if they are minor and criminals sir? And I opine that this is a
serious societal problem. It is violence that has never been witnessed anywhere
sir.
The problem we have with Ugandans including your truly, is the very same
problem we have been dealing with many degree holders. They sit in their chairs
and fart everything is alright. A very good example is when society decided to
go after Museveni in Luwero, these so called educated fellas were told by
society of how Acholi were antigovernment and how they wanted to throw it out
of power. They laughed at it and defined Acholi as the best friends the
government had. They promoted them into army ranks for God’s sakes. It was so
strange for many of the people that were murdered in Uganda under Obote two
government by Acholi, died for degree holders were turning around and reporting
them to Acholi like Dongokara that they were reporting them. These fellas had
enough information to save that government only that they laughed it off, for
they went to school and had degrees and thus educated to not care about the
reports. Acholi turned around and bite them in the behind and today they are in
exile but the government fell and so badly, that I will be very surprised to
see another UPC government in this life.
These very same degree holders are today in exile that was caused by Acholi and
preaching again how we have no problem, and how we are alright for Acholi are
not violent. Ingram the numbers of raped women and girls in Acholi is at the
rate of 80%, the number of trained boys to murder from age 8 is at minimum 70%.
Acholi has nowhere to go but into anarchy. The future of that region is going
to be a major concern to all Ugandan whether you want or you don’t. And you are
going to be so affected because you are refusing to follow but understand the
kind of violence that has happened up there. When any one sees people that rape
a 4 year old to death and define them as a few criminals, I question the clay
he was molded from.
We need to discuss Acholi violence candidly.
EM
On the 49th Parallel
Thé Mulindwas Communication Group
"With Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja and Dr. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda is in anarchy"
Kuungana Mulindwa Mawasiliano Kikundi
"Pamoja na Yoweri Museveni, Ssabassajja na Dk. Kiiza Besigye, Uganda ni katika
machafuko"
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
[mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2015 2:33 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: {UAH} Why are Abbey's guests the least active on this forum?
Goerge Okello-you raise very important points and I must say I agree with you
entirely. If you look way back I stated that I disagree with Edward Mulindwa's
rants about the Acholi. I find it obnoxious to target an entire group for the
actions of a few. Infact I went further to give names of my Acholi
friends,colleagues and school mates who I know for a fact are far above what
Mulindwa is trying to paint them as. It is embarassing- to even respond to some
of those postings. At one point I asked Abbey Ssemuwemba if he could put a stop
to it,but never heard from him. I am not censoring Mulindwa but I know that
freedom to write or publish comes with responsibility. Responsibility in this
case is to be fair, compassionate and adhere to basic norms of civilized
conduct.-At one point I asked Mulindwa to be careful and compassionate in the
way he was accusing people of raping the young and unfortunate girls of nodding
disease. But then again there are people on this forum like Ssekaja who
posted the one below about people being too old to think, can't punch above
their feather weight etc. what an elitist attitude? Talk of multi inversion of
organs contributing differently!! This forum should be for all who can
contribute. He seems to be socially superior. What I know is that Ugandans are
capable of contributing,not only on this forum but in other areas. As long as
we (here I mean the elite,educated) continue to despise those who cannot
express themselves in some convoluted academic ways then we miss the point. The
only way I am "elitist" is that all postings on this forum should be in the
English language and if in any other language they should be accompanied by a
translation.-----------------------------------------
On Tue, 2/17/15, George Okello <[email protected]> wrote:
Subject: Re: {UAH} Why are Abbey's guests the least active on this forum?
To: [email protected]
Received: Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 3:50 PM
Ingram Kampe,
Many of the people Semu has invited do not want to participate for a number
of reasons:
1. They are embarrased to be seen to be a participant in the forum because of
the contributions of people like Edward Mulindwa. I cant see people like
Professor Mamdani, George Okoth- Obbo ( the newly appointed Assistant
Commissioner at the UNHCR, his brother the journalist Charles Onyango-Obbo
would wish to share a platform with Edward Mulindwa. Onyango Obbo wrote to me
three years ago saying he could not judge the quality of the UAH forum
because there are some good postings, but unfortunately too many mediocre ones
that dont deserve printing in a public forum. He feared people may not notice
the difference if he began to debate people like Edward Mullindwa.
2. Some of Semu's invitees are current
politicians who are reluctant to open themselves to attack I can not see
Twembezzee, Jenniffer Musisi, Katongole Singh, Ofwono Opondo partipating.
3. Others like Pammie Ankunda, Fiffie Kessassi and Nina Mbabazi have written
to me to say the UAH standard has fallen below what they regard as acceptable-
it sometimes resembles a chattering house for drunken friends rather than a
forum for serious intellectual debate. The UAH is no longer a forum for
learning, apart from about 6 or 7 contributors who consistently maintain a
high standard of intellectual engagement, the rest just seem to enjoy
indulging in tittle tattle, which may be amusing, but offers very little in
intellectual content or stimulation.
4. Semu has committed the cardinal blunder of making a buffoon like Edward
Mulindwa his poster boy or opinion writer. No serious blog can give Mulindwa
space the way Semu has done and then expect to attract serious contributors.
Certainly most of the people I interact with on other blogs would be very
shocked to find me writing on UAH. It would almost be akin to someone sighting
me in a brothel, thats the shock it would create because no body expects me to
be in a brothel..
George Okello
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015
at 8:59 PM, 'Ingram Kampe' via Ugandans at Heart
(UAH) Community <[email protected]>
wrote:
Some of us
participate in spite of the young "arse" that discrimantes on the basis of
age.-------------------------------------------
On Tue, 2/17/15, ssekajja via Ugandans at Heart (UAH) Community
<[email protected]>
wrote:
Subject: Re: {UAH}
Why are Abbey's guests the least active on this forum?
To: [email protected]
Received: Tuesday, February 17, 2015, 10:23 AM
To old to think on their feet.
Too unfit
to run around,
up and down the stairs,
while messaging.
Can't multi-task, won't
multi-task.
Not ready to be dragged in
mud,, and heads held in
cesspool!.
Can't
punch above their feather wieght.
Lack answers, and short on ideas.
-----Original
Message-----
From: Gwokto La'Kitgum <[email protected]>
To: ugandans-at-heart
<[email protected]>
Sent: Tue, 17 Feb 2015
16:56
Subject: Re: {UAH}
Why are Abbey's guests the least
active on this forum?
Either the find the hangout
too hot or full of coochooheads or
ridiculously useless to
gain a thing from
I respect them given more shit is spilled
here than useful substances.
Dont assume the Amelias are still here
if they found out below the Disclaimer that they can
unsubscribe themselves or could
have asked Abbey to take
them out without
Abbey telling us - his prerog tho, so we
can not complain.
___________________________________
Gwokto
La'Kitgum
"Even a
small dog can piss on a tall Building", Jim
Hightower
On Tue, Feb 17, 2015
at 11:41 AM, Ikanos Doyen <[email protected]>
wrote:
WHY? because
they might have freedoms to
listen
but are not authorized to speak up,
- on behalf
of own selves or others (so they
are good foR quorum on
this
malwa eForum)
Adam L. too is now quiet -since
converting
to Mu. from Mb., with
permission from Mb.
except when R.A. presses his
red buttons.
Thanks anyone for correction incase of error.
- Peace.
On Tue, Feb
17, 2015
at 10:48 AM, Robert Atuhairwe
<[email protected]>
wrote:
Amelia Kyambadde, Singh
Katongole, Jackie Mbabazi, Hope Mwesigye,
Frank Tumwebaze, etc. Ever
since he laid red carpets for
them,
none
has been of use to
us here. Why?
Robert Atuhairwe
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