Hello. Aside from the rather aging 7204/6 VXR which are of course power hungry and large, don't forget to look at the Cisco 7301 (1U) or the 7304 (with NPEG-100) which is the replacement for the VXR/G1 routers. The 7304's are large (4/5U off the top of my head) but nicely modular and considerably less stoneage than 7204/6.
We used to use the 7304/npeg100's but swapped them for 7301's primarily due to space. Cheers, Peter Knapp T: 0113 294 66 99 F: 0113 273 00 58 E: [email protected] W: www.ccsleeds.co.uk -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: 17 January 2013 13:01 To: [email protected] Subject: uknof Digest, Vol 49, Issue 15 Send uknof mailing list submissions to [email protected] To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.uknof.org.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uknof or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [email protected] You can reach the person managing the list at [email protected] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of uknof digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Need advice on L2TP/WBMC or other wholesalers (Charlie Boisseau) 2. Re: Need advice on L2TP/WBMC or other wholesalers (Gavin Henry) 3. Re: Need advice on L2TP/WBMC or other wholesalers (Richard Halfpenny) 4. Re: Need advice on L2TP/WBMC or other wholesalers (Richard Halfpenny) 5. Re: Need advice on L2TP/WBMC or other wholesalers (Richard Halfpenny) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:27:07 +0000 From: Charlie Boisseau <[email protected]> To: James Bensley <[email protected]> Cc: "<[email protected]>" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [uknof] Need advice on L2TP/WBMC or other wholesalers Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" James, We've had the opposite experience. I've found Enta to be fairly useless. I don't know when you set up with them, but several years back when we did, we could only have one interconnect, they wouldn't do fail over L2TP tunnel's for us, or even two as load balanced. I have to say I got a lot of people giving me horror stories, so I was expecting the worst and ended up pleasantly surprised. We've been running with them for about 6 months, so I can only conclude that they've significantly raised their game. They're happy for us to point the customers at either of our LNS's with a simple RADIUS response (much like BT do). TalkTalkB on the other hand, we have had a great experience with. They have a great relationship with BT OpenReach. We can have a BT OpenReach tail installed to a customer site, and it will be dumped onto our existing Ethernet interconnects with them, no need for separate NNIs. Yeah, TTB was a close second choice for us (we have an interconnect with them for their Ethernet/EFM stuff). We thought about getting an L2TP interconnect to access their nice LLU footprint, however the clincher was that didn't offer the IPSC coverage through the same interconnect (and the interconnect fee only gives you one). 7204VXR/7206VXR with NPE-G1 are a pretty standard LNS and PPPoA terminator. I wouldn't buy one now though as they are EoL unless you can get a two or three for a good price. For just starting up, I'd rather grab an MX5, ASR1001. We did it the old fashioned way because you can get hold of the kit pretty cheap, and like I say DSL is low value for us - didn't want to go crazy with it. We'd have to be pushing big volumes to make the capex of a MX5 or ASR1001 make sense. Charlie -- Charlie Boisseau Fluency Communications Ltd. e. [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> w. http://fluency.net.uk/ t. 0845 874 7000 This Email and files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended for the sole use of the individual or organisation addressed. If you have received this Email in error please notify the sender immediately and delete it without using, copying, storing, forwarding or disclosing its contents to any other person While Fluency has endeavoured to ensure that any attachments do not contain viruses it will not be liable for any losses incurred by the recipient. Fluency Communications Ltd. Registered in Scotland. Company Number: SC390685. Registered Office Address: 1 Broughton Market, Edinburgh, EH3 6NU On 17 Jan 2013, at 09:54, James Bensley <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: On 16 January 2013 23:02, Charlie Boisseau <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Guys, We ended up going with Enta... I highly recommend Enta. We've had a very good experience with them (well the sales guys are useless, but techies are great). Interesting post Charlie, We've had the opposite experience. I've found Enta to be fairly useless. I don't know when you set up with them, but several years back when we did, we could only have one interconnect, they wouldn't do fail over L2TP tunnel's for us, or even two as load balanced. We found them slow at informing us of issues and keeping us updated. They did/do have a good web portal though. TalkTalkB on the other hand, we have had a great experience with. They have a great relationship with BT OpenReach. We can have a BT OpenReach tail installed to a customer site, and it will be dumped onto our existing Ethernet interconnects with them, no need for separate NNIs. They have APIs and on line portals that give us control down to the DSLAM port. They have a larger FTTC coverage than anyone else (well, that's what the doc's say). Also, they have better communication and support than BT (I feel BT are simply too large, it's too difficult to keep a machine of that size running efficiently, TTB are still only 500~ employees). 7204VXR/7206VXR with NPE-G1 are a pretty standard LNS and PPPoA terminator. I wouldn't buy one now though as they are EoL unless you can get a two or three for a good price. For just starting up, I'd rather grab an MX5, ASR1001. Cheers, James. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://lists.uknof.org.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/private/uknof/attachments/20130117/bceff7ed/attachment-0001.html> ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:42:17 +0000 From: Gavin Henry <[email protected]> To: Charlie Boisseau <[email protected]> Cc: "<[email protected]>" <[email protected]>, James Bensley <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [uknof] Need advice on L2TP/WBMC or other wholesalers Message-ID: <CAPcb_GKS0eUafYpfQ80qDY51mS=ukhoobbdrsaz_+35mqxf...@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Thanks for all the replies off list (will reply), but one for on list below. > We did it the old fashioned way because you can get hold of the kit > pretty cheap, and like I say DSL is low value for us - didn't want to > go crazy with it. We'd have to be pushing big volumes to make the > capex of a MX5 or > ASR1001 make sense. Can anyone confirm if they are using an MX5-80 for LNS/L2TP in the role of an ASR1001/1 for this? I'm still awaiting confirmation from Juniper, Hardware.com, IMtech and a few others. Some say it can, mainly folks on the j-nsp list in the US and others say you need an MX240 and an MPC. I think they have a new software set bringing the hardware features of the MX240+ down to the MX5-80 range and it's rather new. If so, and confirmed by Juniper, I think the ASR1001/2 would be the best choice as I've also asked Juniper about who is using them in the UK. Would be good if anyone on list could chip in :-) Cheers. -- Kind Regards, Gavin Henry. Managing Director. T +44 (0) 1224 279484 M +44 (0) 7930 323266 F +44 (0) 1224 824887 E [email protected] Open Source. Open Solutions(tm). http://www.suretecsystems.com/ Suretec Systems is a limited company registered in Scotland. Registered number: SC258005. Registered office: 24 Cormack Park, Rothienorman, Inverurie, Aberdeenshire, AB51 8GL. Subject to disclaimer at http://www.suretecgroup.com/disclaimer.html Do you know we have our own VoIP provider called SureVoIP? See http://www.surevoip.co.uk Did you see our API? http://www.surevoip.co.uk/api ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 11:57:53 +0000 From: Richard Halfpenny <[email protected]> To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [uknof] Need advice on L2TP/WBMC or other wholesalers Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 17/01/2013 07:58, Gavin Henry wrote: > On 16 January 2013 23:44, Richard Halfpenny > <[email protected]> wrote: >> On 16/01/2013 23:02, Charlie Boisseau wrote: >> >>> Also, while Juniper MX's are being discussed - we've just put our >>> MX-80s into production, and they're brilliant. Looking forward to >>> playing with them properly now. >> >> I usually have a hard-on for most things Juniper but these days i'm >> starting to feeling the need to reach for the little blue pills.. >> >> http://blog.ip.fi/2012/10/sorry-state-of-junos-control-plane.html >> >> (not my blog BTW, and yes we're a mostly-Juniper shop - >> M/MX/EX/J/SRX) >> >> Rich. >> > > You just have to sit on the j-nsp and c-nsp mailing lists for a bit > and see the issues for both, but as always you only see problems on > mailing lists, not "this works ace and is really easy" :-) Indeed! Personally i've very happy with the kit but there are some outstanding bugs (specifically the slow rib->fib krt queue issue) that Juniper are not seeing as high priority to fix. However, no vendor is perfect and if they were a number of us would certainly be out of a job ;) Cheers, Rich. ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:02:14 +0000 From: Richard Halfpenny <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [uknof] Need advice on L2TP/WBMC or other wholesalers Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 17/01/2013 11:42, Gavin Henry wrote: > Thanks for all the replies off list (will reply), but one for on list below. > >> We did it the old fashioned way because you can get hold of the kit >> pretty cheap, and like I say DSL is low value for us - didn't want to >> go crazy with it. We'd have to be pushing big volumes to make the >> capex of a MX5 or >> ASR1001 make sense. > > Can anyone confirm if they are using an MX5-80 for LNS/L2TP in the > role of an ASR1001/1 for this? > > I'm still awaiting confirmation from Juniper, Hardware.com, IMtech and > a few others. Some say it can, mainly folks on the j-nsp list in the > US and others say you need an > MX240 and an MPC. I think they have > a new software set bringing the hardware features of the MX240+ down > to the MX5-80 range and it's rather new. > > If so, and confirmed by Juniper, I think the ASR1001/2 would be the > best choice as I've also asked Juniper about who is using them in the > UK. Would be good if anyone on list could chip in :-) I remember spotting a caveat somewhere in the documentation on juniper.net that indicated "except MX80" regards LNS functionality but cannot find the link again in my bookmarks :( Rich. ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 12:19:59 +0000 From: Richard Halfpenny <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [uknof] Need advice on L2TP/WBMC or other wholesalers Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 17/01/2013 12:02, Richard Halfpenny wrote: >> I'm still awaiting confirmation from Juniper, Hardware.com, IMtech >> and a few others. Some say it can, mainly folks on the j-nsp list in >> the US and others say you need an >> MX240 and an MPC. I think they have >> a new software set bringing the hardware features of the MX240+ down >> to the MX5-80 range and it's rather new. >> >> If so, and confirmed by Juniper, I think the ASR1001/2 would be the >> best choice as I've also asked Juniper about who is using them in the >> UK. Would be good if anyone on list could chip in :-) > > I remember spotting a caveat somewhere in the documentation on > juniper.net that indicated "except MX80" regards LNS functionality but > cannot find the link again in my bookmarks :( Docs for JUNOS 12.2 : http://www.juniper.net/techpubs/en_US/junos12.2/topics/concept/subscriber-management-l2tp-overview.html It could simply be a case of documentation being out of date but in the middle of the page it states "Note: On MX Series routers, L2TP is supported only on MX240, MX480, and MX960 routers. It is not supported on MX80 routers." Rich. ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ uknof mailing list [email protected] https://lists.uknof.org.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/uknof End of uknof Digest, Vol 49, Issue 15 *************************************
