Thanks Neil.  Fortunately I still have access to this most recent SonicWALL box 
remotely via the backup ADSL interface.  I've attached a .pcap trace file from 
the PPPoE WAN interface that connects to the OR modem and I've also attached 
some PPPoE debug logs from the SonicWALL.  Please let me know if you have any 
trouble receiving them.

This happens with a whole range of different SonicWALL models, from TZ100 / 
200's to TZ105's and even the newest SOHO devices.  Our LNS that these sessions 
are hosted on is a Firebrick FB6202 Running FB6202 Nestor+ (V1.35.019 
2015-02-11T17:21:55) firmware.  The logs off of that for this particular FTTC 
PPPoE session from this SonicWALL are as follows.  We have checked and 
double-checked our RADIUS servers and the username / password combos are 
definitely correct, so there's no issue there.  Thanks.

28 Jan 2017 19:24:22 l2tp-rx T13092-51756-62.24.203.227 S17150-9461 request 
lts001.hex NMCIHW eth 0/1/17:101@FTTC1264195
28 Jan 2017 19:24:22 l2tp-rx T13092-51756-62.24.203.227 S17150-9461 incoming 
NMCIHW eth 0/1/17:101@FTTC1264195
28 Jan 2017 19:24:22 l2tp-rx T13092-51756-62.24.203.227 S17150-9461 PPP Init Rx 
C021:LCP 01 01 000E ConfReq 01:MRU 04 1492 05:MAGIC 06 29:97:fe:3b 
[email protected]
28 Jan 2017 19:24:22 l2tp-rx T13092-51756-62.24.203.227 S17150-9461 PPP Last Rx 
C021:LCP 01 01 000E ConfReq 01:MRU 04 1492 05:MAGIC 06 29:97:fe:3b 
[email protected]
28 Jan 2017 19:24:22 l2tp-rx T13092-51756-62.24.203.227 S17150-9461 PPP Last Tx 
C021:LCP 01 01 000F ConfReq 03:AUTH 05 c2:23:05 05:MAGIC 06 0a:d4:9c:d4 
[email protected]
28 Jan 2017 19:24:22 l2tp-rx T13092-51756-62.24.203.227 S17150-9461 PPP Auth 
name     
6d:63:6d:66:6d:74:32:40:63:6f:6e:6e:65:63:74:2e:63:6c:65:61:72:73:74:72:65:61:6d:67:72:6f:75:70:2e:63:6f:2e:75:6b
 [[email protected]]
28 Jan 2017 19:24:22 l2tp-rx T13092-51756-62.24.203.227 S17150-9461 PPP Auth 
chal  15 57:7d:f2:7f:ea:06:6c:ff:f8:a8:3c:7d:f9:6f:59:a6
28 Jan 2017 19:24:22 l2tp-rx T13092-51756-62.24.203.227 S17150-9461 PPP Auth 
response 8c:8c:b0:d3:76:4e:b4:5c:de:60:76:80:83:9c:78:cf
28 Jan 2017 19:24:22 l2tp-rx T13092-51756-62.24.203.227 S17150-9461 connect 
[email protected] 39956000/9999000bps mtu1492
28 Jan 2017 19:24:22 radius-rx T13092-51756-62.24.203.227 S17150-9461 PPP Tx 
C223:CHAP 03 15 0004  [email protected]
28 Jan 2017 19:24:22 radius-rx T13092-51756-62.24.203.227 S17150-9461 PPP Tx 
C021:LCP 01 01 000E ConfReq 05:MAGIC 06 0a:d4:9c:d4 01:MRU 04 1472  
[email protected]
28 Jan 2017 19:24:22 l2tp-rx T13092-51756-62.24.203.227 S17150-9461 PPP Rx FF03 
8021:IPCP 01 01 0016 ConfReq 03:IP 06 0.0.0.0 81:DNS1 06 0.0.0.0 83:DNS2 06 
0.0.0.0  [email protected]
28 Jan 2017 19:24:22 l2tp-rx T13092-51756-62.24.203.227 S17150-9461 PPP Tx 
8021:IPCP 03 01 0016 ConfNak 03:IP 06 46.17.214.185 81:DNS1 06 185.23.52.131 
83:DNS2 06 185.23.52.132  [email protected]
28 Jan 2017 19:24:22 l2tp-rx T13092-51756-62.24.203.227 S17150-9461 PPP Rx FF03 
8057:IPV6CP 01 01 000E ConfReq 01:I/F 0A c2:ea:e4:ff:fe:7a:16:e6  
[email protected]
28 Jan 2017 19:24:22 l2tp-rx T13092-51756-62.24.203.227 S17150-9461 PPP Tx 
C021:LCP 08 01 0014 ProtoRej 8057 01 01 000E ConfReq 01:I/F 0A 
c2:ea:e4:ff:fe:7a:16:e6  [email protected]
28 Jan 2017 19:24:22 l2tp-rx T13092-51756-62.24.203.227 S17150-9461 PPP Rx FF03 
C021:LCP 01 02 000E ConfReq 01:MRU 04 1492 05:MAGIC 06 29:97:fe:3b  
[email protected]
28 Jan 2017 19:24:22 l2tp-rx T13092-51756-62.24.203.227 S17150-9461 PPP Tx 
C021:LCP 02 02 000E ConfAck 01:MRU 04 1492 05:MAGIC 06 29:97:fe:3b  
[email protected]
28 Jan 2017 19:24:22 l2tp-rx T13092-51756-62.24.203.227 S17150-9461 PPP Rx FF03 
C021:LCP 02 01 000E ConfAck 05:MAGIC 06 0a:d4:9c:d4 01:MRU 04 1472  
[email protected]
28 Jan 2017 19:24:22 l2tp-rx T13092-51756-62.24.203.227 S17150-9461 PPP Tx 
8021:IPCP 01 00 000A ConfReq 03:IP 06 62.24.191.98  [email protected]
28 Jan 2017 19:24:22 l2tp-rx T10838-3606-62.24.203.91 S24816-43992 PPP Rx FF03 
C021:LCP 08 B1 0040 ProtoRej AAAA 03 00 00 00 08 06 00 13 08 00 00 00 00 08 04 
00 00 00 71 q 72 r 73 s 74 t FD 12 A5 AD BA 38 8 8E BD FB 55 U 50 P 18 10 00 F8 
E0 00 00 17 03 03 00 50 P D6 07 80 20   81 D2 6F o 57 W B8 CC 9C 2E . 0F
28 Jan 2017 19:24:22 l2tp-rx T10838-3606-62.24.203.91 S43511-28544 PPP Rx FF03 
C021:LCP 08 E9 001C ProtoRej AAAA 03 00 00 00 08 06 00 13 08 00 00 00 00 08 04 
00 00 00 71 q 72 r 73 s 74 t

Regards,

Gareth.

From: Neil J. McRae [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 28 January 2017 15:57
To: Gareth Phillips <[email protected]>
Cc: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [uknof] SonicWALL PPPoE Issues over Talk-Talk WFTTC Circuits

Suggest you do a wire shark between the OR modem and this box. It will show 
what's going on.

Neil

Sent from my iPhone

On 28 Jan 2017, at 15:34, Gareth Phillips 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>>
 wrote:
Hello all,

We're an ISP re-selling Talk-Talk wholesale LLU DSL and Wholesale FTTC circuits 
to a UK national customer base.

Within the last couple of weeks we've started noticing that our customers that 
are using a SonicWALL firewall / BT Openreach modem combination on FTTC 
circuits (authenticating over PPPoE) have started to disconnect and simply will 
not come back online again.  This has only affected our customers using these 
SonicWALLs on FTTC so far - nobody else.

These same devices worked flawlessly on the BT WBMC network for several years 
without any issues and have recently worked flawlessly on the Talk Talk network 
for roughly one year until now.

Talk-Talk have been carrying out a series of software / network upgrades this 
month and we suspect that it's probably related to one of those.  We've been in 
touch with Talk Talk Support and they are investigating the issue but they 
don't seem to be having much luck at this stage.

I was hoping that somebody out there may have experienced / noticed the same 
thing.  I realise that this issue is quite specific, so unless you're using 
this kit in this configuration with this provider, then you may have not.

The only thing that seems to resolve this at the moment is a complete hardware 
replacement with a Billion router, which is what we use at a number of our 
other customer sites.  The Openreach modem remains in place so we know it's not 
an issue with that.  The connection then comes back up without issue.

Things we have tried so far...


*         Changing the MTU on the SonicWALL WAN taking it right down from 1500 
in increments to below 1300.

*         We've tried a RADIUS Filter-ID of "l" (lower case L) to stop MRU 
renegotiation and a similar hard coded setting on the L2TP LNS tunnel for those 
particular circuits.

*         We've tried configuring a fixed MTU on the L2TP LNS tunnel for those 
particular  circuits.

*         We've tried disabling IPv6 on the SonicWALL WAN interface doing the 
PPPoE authentication / negotiation.

*         We've tried switching both the SonicWALL and modem off for over half 
an hour to kill any potential stale sessions.

Thank you.

Kind Regards,

Gareth Phillips.

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