On 10/8/05, Derek Juba <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
matt fowle wrote:
> Yo, hello! I've got a long info session below on server hosting.
>
>
> Mathias Stearn wrote:
>
>> My general advice is that unless you have a VERY good reason to host
>> it your self, don't. If you are trying to make files available to
>> other people you have a whole host(pun intended) of issues to worry
>> about. Also a lot of ISPs place a limit on outbound traffic and
>> discourage you from from running your own servers. for a nominal fee
>> you can get professionally hosted webspace and not have to worry about
>> any of this.
>
>
> Your own DSL, cable or campus connection is not the right way to host a
> webserver, for anyone or any purpose. The internet is a web, but as the
> consumer horde we are the outter reaches of that web- a fact
> necessitated by our sheer numbers. We reside at the outter edges of
> that web. Actual hosting providers remain close to the core of the
> internet and provide responsive quick service.
>
> After having ran my webserver off high grade DSL for a number of years,
> I'm swithcing to a real webserve myself. I'm heavily considering using
> Linode or Unixshell.
>
> These systems provide what I presume to be known as Virtual Provider
> Servers, or, factually merely VPS systems. They use server
> virtualization technologies to allow many people to all share a single
> system, while giving each person the impression that they have root
> access to their very own linux system. There's three different
> technologies used, Virtuozzo, UML and Xen. Virtuozzo is proprietary
> software which runs one kernel, subdivides the system and performs
> other hackery to make each user think they own the system. UML and
> Xen actually run multiple kernels on the system. UML just runs each
> copy inside of a central linux system-- costly since everything has to
> go through the core kernel, whereas Xen allows each kernel free romp
> within its memory segments-- aka almost no overhead. The effect is
> the same for all three, everyone thinks they have their own system
> even though there are a number of linux/bsd installations all sharing
> the same box.
>
> So big hosts buy powerful computers and dump a bunch of users onto it.
> Everyone gets their equal share of the machine, than any leftofers are
> divided up in like. Odds are almost everyone is barely using the CPU
> so you basically get some big iron to play around on for pennies on
> the dollar. Plenty of bandwidth is included on very large pipes.
>
> A lot of it depends on who you go with. Some people stuff 50 people
> on a dualie with way underpowered I/o and everyone dies because the
> disc access is locked up. Xen addresses this horrible problem
> immensely by quota'ing I/o operations as well (whereas people with 2%
> system allocation can shut down the whole box on Virtuozzo or UML by
> axing the hard disc), but if there's too many people on a box, there's
> just too many people. Whether you suffer death by not having enough
> internet connection, disk io or cpu, its still death.
>
>
> Unixshell has some hot shit. They're running Xen, its definately the
> fastest of the three technologies, on dual opteron systems. Their
> plans offer amazing monthly bandwidth limits, more than you could ever
> use. "The 192" plan is amazing, definately the best buy. Its
> seconded closely by "The 96" plan. The other's arent as good of a
> deal, but they're still better than almost eveyrone elses deals.
> Plans start at $8/mo, which is more than sufficient if you're just
> hosting static web content. Unixshell has reportedly fantastic
> performance. However their tech support is pretty minimal, and they
> do sometimes suffer down times, announced and unannounced. The big
> limiting factor with them as with most people is how much ram you are
> allocated. Trying to run java enterprise apps will get a little hairy
> with 192 mb ram.
>
>
> If you want your own high performance linux system for the internet,
> go VPS or go colocated.
>
> Matt
From the unixshell TOS:
20. IRC: It is absolutely forbidden to host IRC servers, run IRC
clients, or IRC bounce programs on unixshell# accounts. Accounts found
running these programs will be subject to immediate cancellation without
refund.
Could there be some technical or security related reason for this, or do
these guys just have some sort of philosophical problem with IRC?
Banning even the clients seems a little extreme.
-Derek
--
Christopher Conroy
