Bonita,

I too teach 5th grade and have found that there is an adjustment period for
students in my classroom from their previous years experience.  I love how
you tell your students you want them to ask "why" again like a 3 year old!
That is a great visual for them.  I have found that being honest and upfront
with the kids and parents about what my classroom looks like/sounds
like/feels like helps with their change. Some adjust quicker than others
(including parents :-))  This was my seventh year teaching and I completely
let my students own their reading and writing process/learning and I had the
best year and I believe they did too. Now, after doing my summer reading I
am realizing changes that I need to make.  I know I have said previously 
that I am new to listserv, but
it always gives me food for thought, but thank you for letting me know that
others experience the "beginning adjustment" with new students.

Happy Summer,

Lynnelle

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>> Maybe, just maybe...there is a strong tie between the 'Fourth grade
>> slump'
>> and the age at which we have schooled out all the curiosity of early
>> childhood...
>> Jennifer
>
> I think this is very possible, Jennifer. One of the things I have battled 
> is the feeling that students already come to me in fifth grade comfortable 
> with the structure of unthinking schooling.  They WANT me to just give 
> them answers, to give them papers and more papers, to let the hand-up 
> addicts control the class while the rest doze off into oblivion. Each year 
> I battle this preordained culture and some years I am more successful than 
> others.
>
> Understand, I am not blaming teachers here.  They are working within the 
> culture.  It stretches way beyond the classroom IMHO.
>
> I generally start my fifth grade science unit by telling students I would 
> feel very successful as a teacher if I can return them to their 3 year-old 
> selves. They look at me like I am out of my mind and then I talk about how 
> they had a natural curiosity back then that annoyed their parents and 
> caregivers enormously.  Usually, someone in the class knows a 
> three-year-old, starts laughing and calling out, "Why? Why? Why?"  Then we 
> talk about how why, how, and what if can take us to wonderful learning 
> places.  When students ask fabulous and impossible questions in my class, 
> I get very excited.  I often have a posting for fabulous questions.  If 
> they ask me to answer them, I offer to help them know where to look. It is 
> the start of rebirthing curiosity, but it takes time and patience.  Some 
> students will go overboard to begin with. Others will not see the value 
> initially.
>
> Some things that I think stand in the way of curiosity in our classrooms 
> are:
> --ditto on hurrying through curriculum.  As Gardner once said, "Coverage 
> is the enemy of understanding."
> --not listening, really listening, to children--if we are not interested 
> in their observations, however simplistic they may sometimes appear, then 
> they will refrain from sharing them and eventually (in some cases) from 
> thinking about them.
> --classroom management--people I meet, parents, administrators, other 
> teachers, mistake the quiet classroom for the better classroom.  And I do 
> value quiet thought (I love that about reader/writer workshop), I also 
> notice that when you begin to value student thought, they act up 
> more--they can be more argumentative, more passionately loud, more likely 
> to call out thoughts and turn to their neighbor if the wait to share might 
> be too long. These behaviors are not perceived as positive by outside 
> audiences, even though I have come to be quite comfortable with them (much 
> prefer them to a bunch of deadheads who do not care what we are 
> discussing)
> --remembering to ask students why they think something...so much of 
> curiosity is housed in the "Why" of things.
>
> :)Bonita
>
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