Am 26.11.2024 um 22:18 schrieb Asmus Freytag via Unicode:
The mistake is to assume that people supporting text processing
should be using the default table to begin with.
Dear Asmus, dear all,
Thank you very much, I totally see the point now. That’s the mistake I
also made. So the casing tables are clearly not the place where the
change should be reflected.
I am unfamiliar with the CLDR. But I looked at
https://www.unicode.org/cldr/charts/46/summary/de.html and saw that
capital ẞ does not occur among the capital letters in line 3. But I’m
not sure that this is where it should occur. I could not find any list
of casing pairs. Does that exist somewhere? Or is the place where
capital ẞ would have to be added?
Am 27.11.2024 um 01:16 schrieb Kent Karlsson via Unicode:
There's one more wrinkle. Because the sharp S is not natively
used outside German,
Did you mean “outside Germany”? It is not used for German in
Switzerland. But, IIUC, used for Colognian/Kölsch with the
uppercase/lowercase mapping. Or, at least, so I was told several
years ago.
No, “outside German” is perfectly correct. The ß is used in German in
Austria, Luxembourg, Belgium, and Italy, where it is an official,
co-official, or regionally official language, as well as by German
speakers in other countries. Kölsch is a German dialect that, like some
other German dialects, happens to have its own ISO code and locale, but
I doubt that even its speakers (proud as they are of their dialect)
would describe it as “outside German”. And that is precisely why it
uses the German alphabet, including ß.
Am 26.11.2024 um 23:13 schrieb Ivan Panchenko via Unicode:
I still disagree.
Yes, if this was just any text, you could interpret the sentence the way
you do. But the writers of these official rules are perfectly aware
that “auch” (‘also’) in a text like this is a technical term. They
would have formulated it differently if they had meant the two
alternatives to be equal. But they literally turned around the wording
of the previous version with “neben … auch … möglich” (‘in addition to …
also … possible’), which you agree expressed a preference for SS. And
there is good reason to prefer capital ẞ now that it is technically
available in most environments, with all the problems SS causes in
personal names and in general with turning all-caps text back into
normal lowercase text (how do you tease apart SS → ß and SS → ss?).
All the best,
Daniel
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