> Gesendet: Sonntag, den 18.01.2026 um 02:30 Uhr
> Von: "Marius Spix" <[email protected]>
> An: "Jukka K. Korpela" <[email protected]>
> Betreff: Aw: Re: General Categories Pe, Pf, Pi, Ps
>
> I see. Another example would be the Frech quotation marks (guillemets) which
> are pointing outwards and are separated from the quoted text via space in
> French texts, but are pointing inwards and have no additional spaces in
> German texts (especially in books). So, these categories come from a time,
> where Unicode had been very English-centric and can be considered as
> “historically heritage”, correct?
>
> > Gesendet: Freitag, den 16.01.2026 um 20:46 Uhr
> > Von: "Jukka K. Korpela via Unicode" <[email protected]>
> > An: "Marius Spix" <[email protected]>
> > Cc: [email protected]
> > Betreff: Re: General Categories Pe, Pf, Pi, Ps
> >
> > My guess is that Pe, Pf, Pi and Ps were based on the usage of punctuation
> > in English and some other languages. If this subclassification is taken too
> > seriously, problems will arise. For example, software that takes U+201D too
> > seriously as Pf, treats texts like xxx ”xxx” xxx badly: since U+201D is
> > Pf, a line break is not permitted before it, even when a space intervenes.
> > This is what MS Word does, irrespective of language settings, even for a
> > language for which it knows that U+201D is both “start quotation” and “end
> > quotation”.
> >
> > Generally, whether a character is closing, final, initial, or opening
> > punctation should be based on language-specific information, such as CLDR.
> >
> > Yucca
> >
> >
> > pe 16.1.2026 klo 18.09 Marius Spix via Unicode ([email protected])
> > kirjoitti:
> >
> > > I wonder what is the point of the General Categories Pe, Pf, Pi and Ps?
> > >
> > > Different languages use different quotation marks, for example:
> > >
> > > English: “ (U+201C, Pi) + ” (U+201D, Pf)
> > > German: „ (U+201E, Ps) + “ (U+201C, Pi)
> > > Polish: „ (U+201E, Ps) + ” (U+201D, Pf)
> > >
> > > How does a character classify as closing, final, initial, or opening
> > > punctation? Are there any general criteria?
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Marius
> > >
> > >
