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---- "Michael \(michka\) Kaplan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> I would not say that override should be impossible.
> I was merely saying that
> if the given charset is specified and is correct,
> and you change it to
> something invalid.... then it is their fault if
> the results are bad.
>
> michka
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jonathan Rosenne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Unicode List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 9:37 AM
> Subject: RE: How-To handle i18n when you don't
> know charset?
>
>
> > Unfortunately, there are many Hebrew pages wrongly
> marked as 8859-1, and
> many more unmarked. So letting the user override
> the charset specification
> is necessary. I was told similar situations are
> known in Russia and Greece.
> >
> > Jony
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Antoine Leca [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > > Sent: Friday, July 07, 2000 2:06 PM
> > > To: Unicode List
> > > Subject: Re: How-To handle i18n when you don't
> know charset?
> > >
> > >
> > > Michael Kaplan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > My experimentation indicated that if the
> user did not have
> > > their browser
> > > > > set to auto-select encoding, or if they
> manually overrode the
> encoding
> > > > > selection, the form data would be sent
> in whatever they had chosen,
> > > > > regardless of what charset may be in the
> <meta
> > > http-equiv="Content-Type"
> > > > > ...> in the HTML document head.
> > > >
> > > > My general feeling of people who specifically
> change settings
> > > so that the
> > > > text was rendered properly and then they
> specificically changed it is
> as
> > > > follows:
> > > >
> > > > THEY DESERVE WHATEVER THEY GET.
> > >
> > > My own experimentations (and large practice,
> *UNFORTUNATELY*), is that
> > > to have to manually specifying the encoding
> is a hack, being there to
> > > avoid the initial overview of authoring software
> that does not enforce
> > > an uniform *and* practical encoding scheme
> (either "all should be
> > > Unicode",
> > > or "the day you use something outside ASCII,
> it should be tagged").
> > >
> > > Problem is worse in some cases (mainly Cyrillic),
> because a number of
> > > charsets are equaly in common use, mainly for
> historical reasons.
> > > And the behaviour of Microsoft in this area
> is not necessary of help...
> > >
> > >
> > > Now, most of the time I run with "default"
> on. Sometimes, I need
> > > to change.
> > > And when I change, I let it in the changed
> position (Yes, I'm quite
> lazy),
> > > unless there is a nuisance. So quite a time,
> I am running in "changed"
> > > position...
> > >
> > > > The GIGO (garbage in, garbage out ) philospophy
> is the best way
> > > to go here,
> > > > IMHO. How much more can you do other than
> provide a java applet
> > > that will
> > > > hav a big hand come out of the screen and
> slap them silly?
> > >
> > > And *I* would be quite upset if, when I answer
> in French (using French
> > > accents) in an application that only proposes
> English as UI and asks for
> > > e.g. my profession, so I would be upset if
> the application:
> > > - either refuse to handle my accentuated profession
> > > - or, perhaps worse, misinterprets it because
> the server-side
> > > insists on using
> > > his charset instead of whatever character I
> really need.
> > >
> > > But this is what happens every day, because
> the (U.S. based) programmer
> is
> > > expecting everyone to use ASCII, of course.
> Here we cannot
> > > distinguish GIGO
> > > for lazyness or plain ignorance.
> > >
> > > Now you take the case of my friend M. Lebœuf,
> whom name includes a
> > > character not easily available in common charsets,
> trying to answer such
> > > a form included in a iso-8859-1 html page...
> I am not sure he will
> > > appreciate to see his name considered as garbage...
> > >
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Over here, his name looks like garbage.
What is that? Ell ee bee something something you
eff.
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> > >
> > > Antoine
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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