NOBODY TOLD ME YOU COULD HAVE THOSE LETTERS IN A HOST NAME!!! So you could have <HIRAGANA LETTER MI><HIRAGANA LETTER TI><HIRAGANA LETTER KO>.com for a lady named Michiko, or something? -- Robert Lozyniak Accusplit pedometer, purchased about 2000a07l01d19h45mZ, has NOT FLIPPED My page: http://walk.to/11 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - email (917) 421-3909 x1133 - voicemail/fax ---- Jonathan Rosenne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I did not mention Arabic vowels and Shadda because > I don't feel qualified > to. > > Jony > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Paul Hoffman / IMC [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2000 8:06 PM > > To: Jonathan Rosenne; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: RE: [idn] Preparation of Internationalized > Host Names - Hebrew > > > > > > At 12:43 PM +0300 7/8/00, Jonathan Rosenne wrote: > > > > Please note that not all punctuation is > prohibited. The rules for the > > >> specific kinds of punctuation that is prohibited > are in the document. > > > > U+05C0, which looks just like the ASCII > "vertical bar", is probably > > >> acceptable (since vertical bar is acceptable). > U+05C3 looks just like > > >> a colon and is therefore not acceptable; > thanks for pointing this > > >> out. (And I have noted it to the Unicode > folks for when they update > > >> the standard). > > > > > >Its meaning is punctuation, like comma or full > stop, never mind > > its shape. > > > > Exactly my point. At present, we do *not* prohibit > all punctuation. > > The only prohibited punctuation are characters > are that are reserved > > or delimiters in URLs [RFC2396] and [RFC2732]. > If this group decides > > to prohibit all punctuation, certainly we would > then prohibit U+05C0. > > Or, we might prohibit all punctuation other than > a certain small > > group of characters (which would be pretty difficult > to choose > > correctly...). But, for now, we only prohibit > a small set. > > > > > > >2. Cantillation Marks > > > > >0591 to 05af > > > > > > > > > >These should be either prohibited or ignored > since they do > > not affect > > >> >pronunciation, similar to ignoring case > differences. > > >> > > > >> >Personally, I would rather prohibit them > since their presence is > > >> most likely > > >> >to be an error. > > >> > > >> If they never appear in personal names, company > names, or spoken > > >> phrases, then they can safely be prohibited. > Is that true for all of > > >> them? > > > > > >They never appear in common use, they are only > used in biblical texts. > > > > Thanks, that's what I wanted to hear. I'll prohibit > them in the > > next draft. > > > > > > >2. Points > > >> >05b0 to 05c4 > > >> > > > >> >These should be either prohibited or ignored > since they are > > optional. In > > >> >modern Hebrew they are seldom used, not > all systems support > > >> them, and it is > > >> >valid to omit them. > > >> > > > >> >Personally, I would rather ignore them because > a user may enter > > >> them and why > > >> >not let him. > > >> > > >> This is much more problematic. We do not > currently have any "ignored" > > >> characters. If I understand this correctly, > the host name <HEBREW > > >> LETTER HE><HEBREW POINT SEGOL>.com looks > and sounds different than > > >> <HEBREW LETTER HE><HEBREW POINT TSERE>.com, > but could be considered > > >> the same for a host name. If so, I think > we would have to prohibit > > >> them, not ignore them. Does that sound correct? > > > > > >They do sound different, but do not necessarily > look different > > because it is > > >not mandatory to display points. > > > > > >Just like you ignore case in English, in Hebrew > you should ignore points. > > > > From my (very limited) understanding of Hebrew, > this makes sense. > > However, it means that we will have to make such > other "ignoring" > > rules for a variety of scripts. I'm happy to > do that if the group > > wants, but it certainly makes the name preparation > harder. (Just to > > be clear: my personal preference would have been > not to ignore case, > > but that decision was made *long* ago and cannot > be reversed.) Doing > > so would require an extra step, probably between > checking for > > prohibited characters and folding case, that > says "look for any > > characters on this list and throw it away". > > > > How does the group feel about this? What other > characters in scripts > > other than Hebrew would go here? > > > > --Paul Hoffman, Director > > --Internet Mail Consortium > > ___________________________________________________________________ Get your own FREE Bolt Onebox - FREE voicemail, email, and fax, all in one place - sign up at http://www.bolt.com
