----- Original Message -----
From: "Philipp Reichmuth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Rick Cameron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 09, 2002 12:02 PM
Subject: OT: Re: Pronunciation of U+0429 (was RE: Digraphs as Distinct
Logical Uni ts)

> German native
> speakers are an extreme case: almost everyone without phonetic
> training will say that [ç] and [x] are the same *sound* (because
> they're allophones of the same *phoneme*), even though they're really
> different.

But [ç] and [χ] aren't very different:

[ç] is how native Swedes pronounce "k" before some vowels.
[χ] is how many immigrants pronounce the same letter.
[ʧ] is how it's pronounced in the Finnish dialect.

Stefan

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