At 17:27 -0800 2003-12-08, Kenneth Whistler wrote:

Now I presume from Michael's assertion that there is
some Athabascan community *somewhere* that has started
to make an initial case distinction for glottal stop,
and that in the fonts they use, their uppercase glottal
stop *looks like* the IPA glottal stop, and that for
the body text they innovated a miniature of same. Hence
the conclusion that we must treat the existing form
as the *capital* and need to encode a new lowercase
form.

That's right. Peter Constable posted an example.


That, however, is utterly backward. It is clear that in
these cases, following 100 years of monocase usage of
glottal stop, that the innovation (as in many adaptations
of IPA) is to create an uppercase letter to go with the
lowercase one.

All right.


[By the way, I would like to get references
to the actual users and examples of their materials, to
see just how widespread this innovation actually is.]

As would I.


In terms of font design, I concur with John Hudson's sense
of what would look harmonious as an uppercase/lowercase
pairing for a glottal stop in a typical font. However, to
accord with general IPA usage and the existing fonts showing
U+0294 should stay as they are. Then, *if* it turns out
that there is a convincing case to be made for separate
encoding of an uppercase glottal stop for such Athabascan
usage as may turn up, then the least damaging approach would
be, for the code charts, to use the kinds of uppercase
glyph models used in similar instances of after-the-fact
uppercase inventions based on IPA or other phonetic
alphabets and usages.

A modified capital P would probably do.


If this is then augmented with examples showing good
typographic practice and actual examples of text distinguishing
uppercase and lowercase glottal stop, that should be sufficient
to let people then design and use their fonts as desired,
without disturbing the identity of the already existing
encoded character, U+0294 LATIN LETTER GLOTTAL STOP.

I won't fight you on this one. -- Michael Everson * * Everson Typography * * http://www.evertype.com



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