RE: Fixed Width Spaces (was: Printing and Displaying DependentVowels)All those little "systems" are not completely dead. You can look for them in Google, and you'll see various emulators created for nostalgics that would like to rediscover their first past experience with computing. Available for various "modern" OSes of today (including Palm handheld devices, PC on Windows or Linux, Mac...)
The 32-bit Windows or Linux of today may become a dinosaur of tomorrow revived in emulators running in tomorrow worldwide massively parallel computer services with 256-bit computing. Who knows? Yes those dinosaurs are still interesting to study because of what they allowed to do in very few resources and various programming tricks found by geeks of yesterday. Those that programmed those devices are those that have participated the most, by their assembly language skills and studies of the most efficient algorithms, in the best optimizations implemented in today's compilers. I hope that there remains enough geeks today to be able to understand what is behind their today mastodont OSes. Certainly those that program those emulators have much higher programming skills than many programmers using out-of-the-box development platforms of today. May be they are the same geeks that have first learned to program on those baby systems, the only ones that were accessible to most people (yesterday computers were really expensive...) A simple search in Google would reveal those resources, for example: http://www.google.fr/search?q=Sinclair+ZX81+emulator&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=fr&meta= Interestingly, some emulators were created to run on now dead OSes like Atari TOS, which also runs in a emulator for Windows 3 which runs on Linux. Emulators in emulators sometimes work (at least this is true for some of the ZX8* emulators)... The only question that remains is the legality of those emulators, as they require a ROM image, which contains a copyright notice, which refers to companies that may still exist or whose activities and rights were transfered to still existing companies (for example Atari is still a software maker for video games, and you may need a licence from Atari to get a TOS ROM image...) I don't know who owns the rights on the Sinclair OSes... For those that want to rediscover the charset used by ZX8* you may look at this online reference (don't know if this online version is legal as it seems to be the text and graphics from an original book): http://web.ukonline.co.uk/sinclair.zx81/ You will be surprised to see that the ZX* did not have even the minimum ASCII charset (only uppercase letters and a few ASCII punctuation and the British pound, plus the 2x2 square boxes), and not even the same encoding for the common set (despite this ZX-Basic had a "CODE" function and returning what was supposed to be the "ASCII" code of a 1-character string). Other codes were used as part of its BASIC encoding to save program space in memory, but were not available for displays (they were emulated using a very small font read by the Z80 CPU that was completely emulating the graphic display as there was no graphic processor). ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Ayers To: 'Doug Ewell' ; Unicode Mailing List Cc: Arcane Jill Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 9:00 PM Subject: RE: Fixed Width Spaces (was: Printing and Displaying DependentVow els) > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Behalf Of Doug Ewell > Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 8:34 AM > Arcane Jill wrote: > > > 0x80 if I remember correctly. > > I know you've already corrected yourself, realizing that you were > thinking of the extended-ASCII character set used by the ZX > Spectrum (TS > 2068, IIRC), but just to finish this thought: Another example is the dreaded "shifted space" of the Commodore 64. If you happened to have the shift key down when you hit the space bar, you generated a different character that printed as space, but didn't match space. So if there was a shifted space in a filename, the file was inaccessible until you tried shifting the spaces. > I'm sure they existed, but I can't remember anything sophisticated > enough to be called a "line breaking algorithm" in the ZX8* > environment. I know that runoff and word processors were common in CP/M environments (I had a Commodore 128, so I got three different machines to play with - lucky me!), and those had pretty sophisticated line breaking. I don't recall anything for the 64, so the ZX8* probably didn't have much, if anything, either. /|/|ike
