The road tax discount applies to gasoline as welll. WA State allows claims for 11 cents (I think that's the amt) per gallon. The form is easy to complete and they pay quickly. In fact the people in the office have called me a couple of times to make sure had they had the correct information!! Once you complete your first request, they send you a new form with your info already printed on it.
You must send in the fuel dock receipts and requests must be for a minimum of 100 gals. The last check I got was for $51.30! Department of Licensing (360) 664 1828. On May 21, 7:10 am, ron hammill <[email protected]> wrote: > the cummins 555s were truly bullet proof. I had a pair with 8000hrs and the > ran well used no oil were hard to start when cold and parts were harder to > come by. I traded them out for Yanmars now have 2500hrs on them and hope I > will get 8000hrs out of them before i die. The yanmars use about the same > amt of fuel at 20knots as the cummins did at 14. I am pushing my 42 > convertible around love the boat. wide open will do 26knots. ron > "undecided" out of edmonds wa > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 10:20:31 -0700 > > Subject: [UnifliteWorld] Re: A diesel engine perspective > > From: [email protected] > > To: [email protected] > > > Good discussion. I think there are trade offs with all the engine > > choices and have not heard of a clear economic winner except for maybe > > the smaller twin diesel trawlers which we all should have -except for > > a desire for speed. Again it's all in what you value the most. > > > When you consider the trade offs, I value safety and reliability.(no > > gas fume worries and reliable starts). Also driving a boat is like > > driving a loaded truck uphill. I have been told that diesels like > > running hard so I don't feel like I am hurting anything when I go 2400 > > rpm (18 knts) with a 20 ton boat full of fuel and water. > > > If the fuel price gets too ridiculous I guess I'll sell the boat take > > up golf. Diesel in Seattle used to be a big advantage because there is > > no road tax (roughly 60 cents/gal) on diesel sold at the dock (love > > that fishing lobby!). When I bought the boat I paid 60 cents a gallon > > for fuel which was $1.20 on the road. Now the road tax savings makes > > diesel just a bit less than gas. > > > FYI I have the dreaded Cummins 555's for 12 years and, maybe I'm > > lucky, but they have been bulletproof (knock on wood!) > > > Never had a parts problem, but haven't needed many. I joined a site > > called diesel.com which has been really helpful. > > > I would probably look for another diesel, but would buy a gas boat if > > the deal were right. > > > Thanks for the discussion. > > > On May 20, 9:04 am, Rocco <[email protected]> wrote: > > > I have been spending a lot of time recently studying information about > > > diesel engines, as we're considering buying a different boat. The > > > size boats we are looking at are too large for gas engines and all > > > have diesels. This has led me to do some comparison among different > > > models and manufacturers of engines typically built in the 1980s. Let > > > me say first, I am no mechanic and there are several people who > > > contribute to this group who are, so I'm writing only as a consumer, > > > not an expert. > > > > There's a lot to digest but the short story is this, two cycle engines > > > are inefficient, smelly and leaky but reliable and easy to maintain > > > and rebuild - EXCEPT Detroit V9 series. These engines represent early > > > engineering efforts to increase horsepower and RPMs in diesels to make > > > "go fast" boats. Unfortunately the result turned out to be short- > > > lived engines. Rebuilds at 1500 hours are the norm. > > > > This decreased life holds true for four-cycle engines too. Many > > > diesel people scoff at two-cycle engines and will explain the value of > > > modern four-cycle diesels. However, when one begins to look into it, > > > the true benefits are relatively recent and are based on problems > > > encountered early in the designs, especially from the era of boosting > > > HP. Even today, there are faults to be found. For example, fuel > > > quality or cleanliness is critical in new four-cycle diesels as they > > > tend to clog much more easily than older two-cycles. This is an > > > important factor for anyone considering long-distance cruising and > > > likely to encounter careless fuel facilities. > > > > What we see nowadays are four cycle engines being lightened > > > considerably and run at almost twice the RPMs to acheived HP and > > > speed. This equates to higher engine temperature with less metal to > > > withstand it. > > > > What about fuel consumption? Well, that seems to be a hard one to pin > > > down, mostly I suspect because diesel owners are reluctant to reveal > > > the true facts. Apparently, it takes a certain amount of energy to > > > push a boat through the water at a certain speed - no kidding! The > > > higher the speed, the higher the fuel consumption. So, when diesel > > > owners were talking about 10KT boats cruising at 1500 RPMs, the torque > > > of a diesel was a significant advantage. However, pushing a diesel > > > engine to 2500 RPMs to get 22KTS changes things significantly. > > > Usually the number I hear for normal crusing with diesels is about 1NM/ > > > 1GAL. > > > > Like everything else, each manufacturer has it champions and its > > > detractors. (Note: Cummins 555 are engines to be avoided because > > > they are not supported any longer and parts are difficult to obtain > > > and expensive.) The rules for engine life - diesel or gas - remain > > > the same: change the oil often and don't run them hot. Experts will > > > say monitoring diesel exhaust temperature is the best way to protect > > > an engine. > > > > The point of my comments is to suggest we might present a more > > > positive attitude with respect to gas engines. There are lots of > > > negative feelings out there towards gas engines that are, I think, > > > unjustified. The long term reliability, initial cost, quiteness of > > > operation, ease of repair, lower rebuild costs, etc. easily outweigh > > > the added fuel costs for gas engines. In fact, the fuel cost > > > differences are not as great as they used to be. > > > > Diesel or gas, the answwer I keep running into is: to save money, > > > slow down. Still, I keep imagining us cruising on Sturdy Girl at > > > 22KTS...aaah. > > > > That's my two cent's worth (and you get what you pay for). > > > > Rocco > > _________________________________________________________________ > Hotmail® has ever-growing storage! 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