The worst neighbors I ever had were a family of more than I could count in a large 3 story house in North Philly (Feltonville). They were all related with many generations under one roof and human and dog feces in the back yard. Not to mention the big fights (pre Jerry Springer). Across the street was another very large family that thought it was OK to burn their trash on their front lawn and fist fight in the middle of the street with each other.
Big parties are nothing compared to domestic violent crime and filth like no college student, who has the money to goes to Penn, could make and live in everyday. I say repeal the biased law. Who's gonna start the petition? Richard Hotchkiss http://www.hotstrings-inc.com > From: "HarvestMoon3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: "HarvestMoon3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:27:33 -0400 > To: "Gerardo Razumney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [UC] Occupancy limits [was Movie Shoot in Clark Park] > > "Related" implies a family of some sort: parents, siblings, cousins, etc. > These typically would span several generations, etc. It's normally a family > unit, possibly filing a single income tax return and having some intimate > connection to one another. "Unrelateds" in our UC context is typically 5 -8 > students, some of whom may be friends beforehand and some of whom may be > complete strangers. They are all typically adult, similar in age, and would > probably all file separate tax returns. Each one typically has a car. The > individuals typically remain quite independent of one another. The > "closeness" of the friendships varies across the board. My experience has > been that these groups are not stable, but change yr-to-yr or more often. > Fighting, finances, workload, transfers,etc. are all factors leading to > constantly shifting occupants. > > We have several group homes on our block, and the student groups change > constantly. There is little connection to the block or to non-student > neighbors or to UC. (There are exceptions, as always.) Sometimes the groups > pose no problem, but sometimes they can be simply awful, rude, loud, > belligerent to neighbors, etc. Trash issues can be a major problem with > these houses. These sorts of problem would not typically arise with a family > unit . Parking has become a major issue in UC. An 8-student house probably > has 5 cars minimum associated with it. This differs from a family unit, > where 1-3 cars would be more likely. None of my neighbors who would be > designated "family units" has ever had parties with hundreds of people > spilling onto the street, thrown beer bottles, vomited and urinated on > neighbors' properties, yelled wildly outdoors until 4 AM. Yet, this has > occurred on my block and others, at the various "group homes". This sort of > behavior is self-limiting to an extent when the number of "unrelateds" in a > house is limited. So, yes, the character of the occupants does affect > quality of life for others nearby. > > Neil Lifson > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Gerardo Razumney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 2:58 PM > Subject: Re: [UC] Occupancy limits [was Movie Shoot in Clark Park] > > >> I don't understand. How does the 'related' vs. 'unrelated' character of >> the occupants affect the noise, trash, nuisance behavior, parking >> problems and quality of life issues? >> >> Gerardo Razumney >> >> >> HarvestMoon3 wrote: >> >> [snip] >> >>> To my mind, it serves a legitimate purpose by limiting noise, trash, >>> nuisance behavior, parking problems -- all quality of life issues. > Anyone >>> who lives near a "group house" knows that these issues can be a real > problem >>> and difficult to resolve.(And certainly, not all "group houses" are a >>> problem.) >> ---- >> You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the >> list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see >> <http://www.purple.com/list.html>. > > ---- > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the > list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see > <http://www.purple.com/list.html>. > ---- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see <http://www.purple.com/list.html>.
