"...would like to see the inclusion of soy milk or rice milk for those
of us who
want cereal without dairy and possibly some seasoned veggy sausage
patties
vroiled in a little extra virgin olive oil, let's says (just spread a
little
on the tray), mmmmmmmmmmmmhhh! They already have coffee, tea and juices
for
everyone, but I also like things like V8 juice for extra vitiamins and
minerals in the morning. you can ask to have omlettes made with
EggBeaters
or egg whites to lower the cholesterol and saturated fat level of the
"egg
material" you eat. Veggie cheeses in different flavors like American,
Provolone and Swiss..."

I am not a vegetarian, but I do eat vegetarian-style.  I would love the
above as menu items for the Sunday brunch and would order them.  I
already eat turkey sausage and turkey bacon.  There would be more people
interested in this menu than you think.

Sande Knight
tel. 215-246-2424
fax 215-405-3178
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Folks,

        I don't think it's right to hold Vincent and Roger's feet to the
fire here. For those wanting to properly define " vegan", "ovo-lacto
vegetarian", and "vegetarian" should visit this link for a quick dispute
about definitions: http://www.veganoutreach.org/advocacy/definingvegan.html.
Vince and Roger run a quality establishment. Their meat, fish and produce
are top-quality and their chef has a very disciplined care in food
preparation. They cater to families, banquets, Sunday brunch crowds and
promote a smoke-free bar and restaurant only looking out for the health of
their customers, who are really their family, friends and neighbors.
By-the-way, you can still smoke on the porch during warm months.

        The definition of vegetarian food and food preparation differs a
little with each person you ask, but I trust that the folks at Abbraccio
Restaurant have a good enough idea of what vegan, ovo-lacto vegetarian, and
vegetarian mean. In the cause of proper definition, it realy doesn't help to
be a vegan nazi. It won't help you as the customer and it won't help the
restaurant. Because so many of us who call ourselves vegetarians don't have
a common definition to cling to, it is incumbent upon us to tell the staff
*EXACTLY* what we do and don't want in our food. Let the waitstaff know and
they have the chef give you want you want.

        As far as the brunch food is concerned, well I think they've gone as
far as the average restaurant would dare to go in providing veggy fair for
some of their customers, and perhaps a little bit further. I, personally,
would like to see the inclusion of soy milk or rice milk for those of us who
want cereal without dairy and possibly some seasoned veggy sausage patties
vroiled in a little extra virgin olive oil, let's says (just spread a little
on the tray), mmmmmmmmmmmmhhh! They already have coffee, tea and juices for
everyone, but I also like things like V8 juice for extra vitiamins and
minerals in the morning. you can ask to have omlettes made with EggBeaters
or egg whites to lower the cholesterol and saturated fat level of the "egg
material" you eat. Veggie cheeses in different flavors like American,
Provolone and Swiss would also be killed additions to the omlette
preparation.

        However, while these changes in the brunch would be delicious
additions from the vegetarian point of view, most customers would pass on
using them. I hate to speak for customers I've never met, but I know most of
them are meat eaters and don't care for vegetarian anything, although Kyle
Cassidy came up with a valid number of 28.7% vegetarian for last Sunday's
crowd. I'll also bet that it's probably more expensive to buy and prepare
vegatarian food, which means Vincent and Frank would have to watch how much
they spend for those products. I don't want them going broke trying to feed
vegetarians either.

        I'm sorry for the diatribe, folks, but I like for focus on
developing the questions we need to ask ourselves first and then focusing on
all of the possible solutions.

        By-the-way, thank you Vince and Roger! Viva los professores!!!!


Mario Giorno
Communications Research Technician
Health Communications
Annenberg School for Communication
University of Pennsylvania
3620 Walnut Street
Philadelphia, PA 19104
(215) 898-7046
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From: J. HolmesAndrews [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Friday, March 05, 2004 12:57 PM
To: Mark Krull; Vincent/Roger; Kyle Cassidy; 'university City List '
Subject: Re: [UC] Sunday at abbraccio:vegetarians


so why no response to the beans?

I give the Abbraccio folks credit for wanting to make
people happy and trying to run a fine
establishment...but i do think people in food
professions should use correct terminology in order to
make those who have all the dietary concerns noted
feel confident in what they serve...a vegan or
vegetarian needs to know that when they ask the
waitstaff or chef or owner if something is vegetarian
or vegan that they are all using the term with a
mutually understood definition.  

 


--- Mark Krull <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi
> I give Roger Herman Kudos for his patience.
> Thanks
> 
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> From: Vincent/Roger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Mar 5, 2004 6:50 AM
> To: "J. HolmesAndrews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
>       Kyle Cassidy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 
>       'university City List ' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [UC] Sunday at abbraccio:vegetarians
> 
> > PLEASE!!! a brief tirade -
> > vegetarians do not eat FISH (or chicken)!
> 
> We appreciate the many comments about vegetarians,
> including the one above.
> And we have great respect for the food choices that
> people make, but as
> anyone who has ever had a restaurant (including all
> of us at Abbraccio) will
> tell you, there are MANY people who claim to be
> "vegetarian" who do eat fish
> or even sometimes they'll eat chicken.  I might
> question their use of the
> term "vegetarian," but there it is.
> We also have customers who will not eat factory
> raised meats, who will not
> eat factory raised pork products, and so on.   There
> are many valid ethical,
> religious, and health issues at play.
> Roger Harman
> 
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