I will assume that since I stated in my previous writings that I do not live in Spruce Hill, that you are referring to me. First of all, I did not see "For Spruce Hill Eyes Only" mentioned in the dozens of emails that have come in on this subject. Secondly, I made it clear from the outset that I did not live in Spruce Hill and therefore did not have a direct stake in the outcome of this, and each reader could consider or not consider my opinion in light of that. Thirdly, Councilwoman Blackwell's bill does not limit itself to Spruce Hill: this subject affects the entire city at large, including me. Finally, the last time I checked, this is still the United States of America, and everyone has a right to state his or her opinion in a public forum without having to get permission from anyone else.
I suppose that it is also equally useless that I raised some substantive issues that actually got people talking to each other about this.
Karen Allen
From: "S. Sharrieff Ali" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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To: "'Charles H. Buchholtz'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Subject: RE: [UC] HD nastiness is a result of exaggeration & opinion presented as fact
Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2004 12:13:09 -0400
"Yes, the Historical Commission deals with paint colors. No, the Historical Commission doesn't deal with paint colors. It all depends on whether you are talking about what they are doing today, or what they have the power to do if they so choose"
It is not as confusing as you are presenting it. The commission has the authority to "deal" with paint, that is the answer. Lets stick to the facts.
Brian, and many others (including myself) have been truthful in our presentation of the guidelines and current regulations. We have made them available for those who can read. Read the guidelines very carefully as if it was a contract. The commission has the power to regulate colors, a clear indication of their future intent to exercise that power when useful to the commission.
I am not against Historic Designation for Spruce Hill. I am against the abusive process of designation. I am against the sweeping authority given to the Historic Commission by the City of Philadelphia.
I find it sad that many have posted comments on this listserv not being familiar with the code of enforcement. I find it useless that homeowners are posting support for the designation without living in Spruce Hill. I find it absurd that many are not understanding they will not have a voice in the matter unless they protest.
The proponents have not asked for your vote and have put significant dollars forth acting on behalf of all property owners in Spruce Hill. The commission does not require property owners votes for designation. The property owners of Spruce Hill are mostly unaware or confused about the regulations and process.
None of the proponents have been reasonable or fair about any of this. All of you are derelict in your duties as community representatives and have not followed any responsible process to seeking the nomination of Spruce Hill. None of you have ever contacted me directly to sit down and discuss the proposal. You all know me and my willingness to compromise. I have requested and been refused. You have not showed to debate in public. Your efforts are single minded.
Why do you chose to use this listserv as a forum for this debate?
What do you have to say about your arrogance thus far?
S.
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Charles H. Buchholtz Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 4:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] HD nastiness is a result of exaggeration & opinion presented as fact
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2004 14:58:17 EDT
In a message dated 4/5/04 12:08:08 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
<<... I'm still trying to find time to write back to Al Krigman, who mentioned to me that since I was asking about house painters, aren't I glad we don't have an HD to get in the way of my plans (which is kind of ironic because HDs typically don't deal with paint as an issue.) >>
Philadelphia's local historic districts don't deal with paint colors,
Elizabeth! This is a scare tactic being used by the anti-HD's!
OK, just in case anyone hasn't heard this argument a dozen times, I'll cut to the chase:
From the Historical Commission web site http://www.mfrconsultants.com/hc/permits.html#a
"What parts of a historic property does the Historical Commission regulate? The Historical Commission reviews all work that requires a permit or that may change the exterior appearance of a property. This includes, for example, roofing, masonry cleaning, pointing and ***painting***, window and sash replacement, and window boxes. As a matter of policy, the Commission does not regulate the painting of exterior trim."
Which I read to say that the Historical Commission has the right to regulate painting, but currently chooses not to.
So, Al is right: The Historical Commission, on it's own web site, clearly says that it reviews painting. And Melani is right, their current policy is not to regulate painting.
Yes, the Historical Commission deals with paint colors. No, the Historical Commission doesn't deal with paint colors. It all depends on whether you are talking about what they are doing today, or what they have the power to do if they so choose.
--- Chip
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