I forgot to add, !(*@)(!*@()*!@)* !!!! (Drool drool drool)
On Fri, 28 May 2004 10:18:08 -0400, Pete Coyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sunzoo, > You don't appear to be stupid, or angry. Now you are the lying liar! > Pete > > On Friday, May 28, 2004, at 09:48 AM, sunzoo wrote: > > > PS, I didn't call Berg's captor's "noble". You really ought to read > > more closely. > > > > We don't know for sure that Berg was alive when the decapitation took > > place. There is credible speculation that Berg was killed in a more > > conventional manner, then beheaded for the camera. > > > > I guess I've lost the thread of what we're supposed to be arguing > > about. We agree that the Berg murder was violent, reprehensible and > > wrong, and that the occupation itself was wrong to begin with. You > > seem to want to tar me with the "pro-terrorist" brush but I reject > > that. I'm just pointing out that one man's terrorist is another man's > > freedom fighter. I don't think Berg's killing was justified on any > > grounds. I can understand it, however, in a larger context and > > recognize that the normal rules of "humanity" are out the window in > > this situation. > > > > I can confidently say that, if a foreign army bombed my house and > > killed my children tonight, I'd be putting on a hood tomorrow morning > > and terrorizing the occupying army any way I could. That includes > > actions that would otherwise considered murder, I suppose -- I could > > not see myself feeling much sympathy at that point for foreign > > contractors wandering around trying to fix my phone, etc. I'd see my > > actions as justifed by the larger crime commited by the occupying > > force. > > > > But that's just me, I guess. > > > > On Fri, 28 May 2004 04:25:54 +0000, KAREN ALLEN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > >> > >> Despite your claim that ** I'm not defending the actions of Berg's > >> captors > >> in any way...**, your choice of words and comparisons reveal the > >> opposite. > >> I have never disputed the fact that war is horrific, however, as I > >> said, > >> some things go beyond all sense of humanity. > >> > >>> how does anyone justify the deliberate, conscious decision to cut > >>> someone's head off? > >>> I don't know, you tell me. Does simply taking a picture of the > >>> dead body > >>> make a difference in >this argument? > >> > >> Actually the body wasn't dead when they began filming. But somehow, > >> they > >> seemed to know how it was going to turn out. > >> > >>> One photograph of a mutilated body was taken for the purposes of > >>> documenting the evils of war >and the events that took place at > >>> American > >>> hands. The other photograph was taken, in my opinion, >to shock the > >>> occupying army (and it's civilians at home) into stopping their > >>> aggression. > >>> Which purpose is more noble? Can a comparison be made? > >> > >> Absolutely. No one ever accused the photographers present at the > >> liberation > >> of the Nazi concentration camps of causing the atrocities they > >> documented. > >> No one ever accused Abraham Zapruder of causing President Kennedy's > >> assassination just so he could take a motion picture of it. > >> Similarly, no > >> one is accusing the photographers of Iraqi war dead in the example > >> you > >> cited as causing the deaths being documented. The same cannot be > >> said of > >> your **noble** individuals who photographed themselves in the act of > >> butchering Mr. Berg. > >> > >> What those individuals did was evil. The fact that I believe that > >> what > >> George Bush is doing in Iraq is wrong will never make me believe that > >> what > >> those men did was right. > >> Karen Allen > >> > >> > > ---- > > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the > > list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see > > <http://www.purple.com/list.html>. > > > > ---- > You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the > list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see > <http://www.purple.com/list.html>. > ---- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see <http://www.purple.com/list.html>.
