Good point Bob. I will be doing election monitoring on Election Day... Go to electionprotection.org
-----Original Message----- From: Bob McLaughlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Oct 7, 2004 11:52 AM To: 'Stephen Fisher' <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [UC] RE: VOTE FOR CHANGE FINALE There are valid arguments to be made on both sides of the debate. Moore has maintained all along that if more people vote, the less conservative the outcome will be, as the average person's values are less conservative than the average VOTER'S values. Back in the day, it was all about choosing what parts of town to go and buy people drinks. Nobody followed the tipplers into the voting booth, but getting 100 factory workers fired up would have a different effect than buying 100 bankers drinks. A similar argument might be made for underwear, although I personally value a case of Bud more than a pack of Haines. (But that's just me.) It could also be argued that incentives to vote, or disincentives not to vote would encourage an election that more accurately reflects the wishes of the population. Interestingly, according to some Australians I spoke with a while back, you can be FINED there for not voting! It doesn't take a PhD in political science to figure out what would happen here to the political spectrum if similar laws were enacted. But such laws never will be. Not for reasons of fairness, but because the penalized party would scream bloody murder. Nor, for that matter, will we ever get Senators here in DC, (except maybe on the baseball diamond) again for reasons that have nothing to do with fairness. (Hey, at least we get to drive around with "TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION" on our license plates.) Getting back to Michel Moore, despite having a noble goal of trying to get voters to be more demographically aligned with the population at large, I think he made a mistake. One needs to work within a system to change it. That is why I will be doing election monitoring on Election Day, to ensure that all the new voters get out and are counted. If you are interested, go here: www.electionprotection.com -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Fisher [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 10:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UC] RE: VOTE FOR CHANGE FINALE Having been to one of Moore's recent lectures where he gave away underwear and tortilla chips, I'd like to point out that he was very clear in expressing that he didn't care who you voted for, he just wanted you to get involved and vote. While I realize this might still be considered 'wrong' by some and that the majority of people he was addressing were probably not republicans, there were actually some republicans in the room and he definitely didn't discriminate against them. > It is unfortunately true that Democratic loyalists subscribe to > bribery as a tool for tempering party loyalty. I think these people should be thrown in jail. What Moore is doing is not even close to this. > Moore's final sentencing should reflect his praying upon naive youth. Yes, praying on them to get involved and to actually care about our country. Rather than the current (ie non-Lincoln era) Republican stance of "leave most voters behind" and disenfranchise, disenfranchise, disenfranchise. Flames away, Stephen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > In a message dated 10/6/2004 4:53:46 PM Eastern Standard Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Here is proof that the Republicans are worried. They want > Michael Moore arrested...read on.. > http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2393829&nav=0RceRgjo > <http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=2393829&nav=0RceRgjo> > > Monk: > > You are too young to remember when ward leaders and committeemen bought > constituents a shot at the corner tappy to pull the big D lever. I am > sure if you were around then, you would have wanted them arrested for > corrupting our democratic process, regardless of the party being pushed. > > It is unfortunately true that Democratic loyalists subscribe to bribery > as a tool for tempering party loyalty. Moore's final sentencing should > reflect his praying upon naive youth. ---- You are receiving this because you are subscribed to the list named "UnivCity." To unsubscribe or for archive information, see <http://www.purple.com/list.html>.
