Laserbeam wrote:

"there's a living, breathing dynamic between the two buildings that
might've been choked off had they parked some sort of historical-looking
imitation of the furness there."


Hi Ray-

Just a thought to add to this discussion-- there is a big difference
between advocating preservation and proposing new construction in an
imitative style.

The former is about many things, including utilizing existing resources
from a "green" or recycling perspective.  It can be about trying to save
specific buildings because they may be exceptional.  It is also about
living in an urban fabric that contains examples from throughout a
city's history, so that we may be grounded in an experience of both the
past and the present.  

The latter idea is one that I'm not involved in myself, and is based on
a different attitude.  I don't care for that kind of thing.

My favorite buildings are typically adaptations of old industrial
buildings... That's how I got into this line of work.

-Elisabeth



ELISABETH DUBIN
Hillier ARCHITECTURE
One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636-9999 | F
215 636-9989 | hillier.com

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Anthony West wrote:

> Elisabeth wrote:
>>  Tony says that we need to "treasure the best from the past while 
>> letting  the rest go."  The problem is that "best" is a matter of 
>> opinion, and in  this country we tend towards not being willing to
regulate taste.
>  
> That is the problem indeed. But when we try to sidestep the crucial 
> issue of taste, we wind up creating fake judgement criteria that 
> smuggle it back in under another name. "Historicity" also boils down
to taste.
> That's because ALL buildings have history and all buildings exemplify 
> history. Anybody can write a two-page release about the period that 
> any building represents. In practice, the history that gets preserved 
> is the history that people like. One way or another, taste will be
expressed.
>  
> The question is: who gets to say which buildings they like and which 
> matter less to them? Who gets to choose now history, now modernity? 
> I'm not sure I have a one-sentence answer. But in general, public 
> tastes matter when it comes to public property. And in general, the 
> public likes some things more than others, just as individuals do. And

> in general, no building stands forever. Sorting out the particulars 
> case by case is what makes public works projects such a fun spectator
sport.


(see, I guess this is why I've been asking the questions I've been
asking.)


* * *

btw, I've been admiring the new glass-skinned buildings 
going up in the area -- the faceted cira center, the 
circular chop, that slender wedge over on market right next 
to the old furness bank. I love how glass surfaces integrate 
new and old -- reflecting the old buildings while quietly 
asserting their own structures, in a vocabulary that's both 
inventive and borrowed (ie, in terms of changing skies). and 
I especially like how the glass wedge on market so perfectly 
pays respect to the furness building -- by being so utterly 
different from it, superficially, and angling away from and 
around it, structurally. there's a living, breathing dynamic 
between the two buildings that might've been choked off had 
they parked some sort of historical-looking imitation of the 
furness there.


.........
laserbeam(r)
[aka ray]














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