Re: [UC] computers bad for learning?

[BGAndersen]

In a message dated 3/23/05 6:26:29 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

your point was wrong

Wow. What eloquence. I don't seem to understand your point. Are you saying that kids under the age of ten who haven't mastered reading and writing should be allowed unlimited access to computers?

I agree with two points made earlier in the thread, parents can make a difference - and not all families are equal. Too often people use technology as a crutch and not a tool.

On Mar 23, 2005, at 3:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> A young adult�is certainly old enough to have mastered reading and
> writing. Which was my point.��
> �
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> From: Christine Hibbard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: University City <UnivCity@list.purple.com>
> Cc: Christine Hibbard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:21:46 -0500
> Subject: Fwd: [UC] computers bad for learning?
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>
> I've got to chime in here. Obviously the computer bashers are
> operating with their head in the sand. Join the 21st century already.
> I have a dislexic child who labored with blackboard notes all through
> school- labored is an understatement. last year our child got a
> laptop, this young adult types fast and can copy notes form the board
> much faster than her peers laborously hand write them. They are on the
> computer to review, rearrange, sort and highlight. In addition,
> research note and new clips can be added to the note to flesh them
> out. This is a great learning tool and has made an amazing difference
> in my child's school performance. I wish I had one in the dark ages
> when I was in school.�
> �
> > From: Brian Siano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>�
> > Date: March 22, 2005 5:31:16 PM EST�
> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [UC] computers bad for learning?�
> > Reply-To: Brian Siano <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>�
> >�
> > Dan Widyono wrote:�
> >�
> >>> time?" The teacher responded, "Any fool, can be taught to operate
> a >>> machine. You're being taught how to solve the problem
> yourself."�
> >>>�
> >>�
> >>�
> >>> Children should not be allowed to use computers until they master
> >>> the basic skills of the three R's on their own. Age 10 at the >>>
> earliest.�
> >>>�
> >>�
> >> Bah humbug, Bruce. It's up to the parents to make sure that *if* >>
> they use a�
> >> computer, they are _also_ taught problem solving and other
> essential >> skills�
> >> at the same level expected as if they hadn't a computer. That's the
> >> whole�
> >> point of implying there are other effects like economic status and
> >> parental�
> >> involvement, in households with computers (in the article).�
> >>�
> >> Your blanket statement "don't use computers until 10" is not only�
> >> impractical, it's also as misleading as "computers definitely help
> >> kids�
> >> learn". If you extended your statement, you'd have to add "no TV >>
> until 10",�
> >> "no video games until 10", etc. Computers don't halt learning, >>
> uncontrolled�
> >> usage and inappropriate limits halt learning.�
> >>�
> > Actually, Bruce's comments are perfectly reasonable. Consider the
> fact > that I'd never laid fingers on a computer keyboard until I was
> maybe > twelve or thirteen, maybe older, when our school got Apple IIs
> set up. > (I was born in 1963. You do the math.)�
> >�
> > As for this "up to the parents" stuff, that's misleading. We're >
> talking about what _schools_ can do. It's understood that parents have
> > a responsibility here.�
> >�
> > And my skills with computers are, if not spectacular, much better
> than > most. I'd say I was the last generation to be raised _without_
> > computers, and I have noticed a distinct demarcation; younger users
> > are more comfortable with computers, but they don't seem to
> understand > what the computer's actually _doing_ behind the
> interface.�
> >�
> > I don't have the references handy, but there's better evidence to >
> suggest that _music_ education helps students far more than computers
> > do.�
> >�
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