Wilma and list -
I agree. I also think that "adding yet another form" as someone stated,
and asking people to expose whether they have any known benefits to slavery
is a small price to ask. Sadly, most companies are unware of whatever
profits they may have recieved years ago, and do not understand those
other, non-monetary ways that they may have profited. And it's those other
ways that can hardly be accounted for in this day, and will certainly not
be admitted to. Why should they - isn't it rational that a group in power
will act in ways to maintain that power? Why would any business in their
right mind do the research, or do the math, and own up to any kind of
profit? The Bill is full of holes, but their hearts were in the right
place, I say. And that's all I can say on the subject - I have a busy day
today.
M. M. Harvey
Wilma de Soto
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Subject: Re: [UC] Slavery
Disclosure Bill
Dear Elisabeth, Mike, Brian and hopefully Matt,
I cannot disagree with you on the fact that there were more important
issues
pending, and perhaps the Bill was badly conceived, written etc.
I cannot speak for Monique, but as for what bothered me was the outright
dismissal of slavery and its continuing benefits for some (due to the
passing on of assets, access to resources and opportunity, and allegedly
superior socio-political status etc.)
Also, its continuing legacy of discrimination and denial of access to
resources (based the assumed inherent inferiority of people of African
descent) that allowed for these political, legal and economic
manifestations
to be written into our very society and that have not entirely disappeared.
That was my main concern.
As for reparations, there can be none. It would be interesting to "follow
the money trail", though just to see. I am sure there are more companies
than just for instance, J.P. Morgan.
It doesn't even have to be directly linked to the dealing importation or
trading of slaves either; rather the exclusion and unequal access to the
same resources and quality of life based upon the fact that your ancestors
were once slaves, and you inherit the baggage of assumed inferiority.
Perhaps the Bill itself was lacking, but to dismiss the entire issue of the
accumulation of wealth, the passing on of assets, access to resources,
equal
education was not entirely correct either in my opinion.
However, Matt has the right to his opinion and I still respect him and his
right to express it.
Wilma
On 4/1/05 3:25 PM, "Dubin, Elisabeth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Of course we are, I agree. But that bill is weird at best and damaging
> to innocent people at worst. What is that supposed to achieve?
>
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> ELISABETH DUBIN
> Hillier ARCHITECTURE
> One South Penn Square, Philadelphia, PA 19107-3502 | T 215 636-9999 | F
> 215 636-9989 | hillier.com
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> I agree, Monique. The supreme irony is in the title of the article:
> "Legacy". It's the legacy of slavery that we are all dealing with on
> both sides black and white.
>
>
> On 4/1/05 1:27 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
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>> It is true that the man has a right to his opinion. Probably
>> fruitless to challenge him on it. Everytime I hear that line about
>> slavery ending 100's of years ago I cringe.
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>> M. M. Harvey
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