> Frank, your point does sound simple and fair at first glance, but things 
> are rarely this simple.   I've not heard of anyone objecting to the mosque 
> being heard - but how is a decision made afterwards?
> 
> First, as Vincent's earlier question pointed out, when the mosque moved in, 
> they didn't have to go through this process - so, no "affected parties" had 
> the opportunity to be heard.   
> 
> Second, the mosque has turned out to be a somewhat challenging neighbor, 
> based on parking issues.   On Fridays when their members come from "far and 
> near," as their spokesman says, there are cars everywhere and people crossing 
> the 
> street everywhere.   Here is a quote from a letter written about this 
> situation:
> 
> <<There is a large safety hazard on Fridays after services at the mosque 
> that needs to be addressed separately. Walnut St. is particularly congested 
> at 
> that time of day and that location is made very unsafe by many double parked 
> cars and worse, many members who cross the street not at the light but near 
> the end of the block. Several times members have stood in the road blocking 
> traffic so members may cross at that location.  >>
> 
> Mosque attendees have regularly parked in the Rite Aid's lot without 
> permission.   When the landlords attempted to prevent this, they were shouted 
> at and 
> called names, which included disparaging comments about another religious 
> group (of which they did not happen to be members, but which they did not 
> take 
> as an insult though the shouters had meant it that way).
> 
> The parking problems and "bad blood" over them seem to make the situation a 
> little more complex.
> 
> Further, there is that mosque spokesman's quote about members coming from 
> "far and near."   This echoes back to last summer's controversy at 50th & 
> Baltimore, when non-local church members there wanted to stop the opening of 
> a 
> brew pub, despite the fact that the neighbors who resided in close proximity 
> to 
> the location wanted it there.   The question then, which seems to be repeated 
> now, was, how can a decision be made, given these two opposing ideologies?   
> Should the ZBA decision favor the folks who come only to worship, or the 
> folks who live in the location every day and would patronize the business?   
> At 
> 50th & Baltimore, the ZBA eventually allowed the brew pub.
> 
> So, the question of residents vs. "far and near" worshipers also makes the 
> situation more complex.
> 
> -Melani Lamond
> 
>  --------------------------------
> On Mar 18, 2007, at 09:04 PM, SKnight wrote:
> Would someone please explain to me why the new State Store location is a 
> problem if there is already a beer distributor right across the street from 
> this 
> mosque?  Is the mosque worried about having more than one retail outlet for 
> alcohol so closeby?  What is the reasoning against locating the store in that 
> lot if there is a beer distributor already there?
> Sande Knight
>  ----------------------------
In a message dated 3/18/07 9:53:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Was the beer distributor already there when the mosque moved in?
> Frank
>  ---------------------------
> On Mar 18, 2007, at 09:56 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>      In a message dated 3/18/07 9:53:06 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> Was the beer distributor already there when the mosque moved in?
> Frank
> 
> YES, the beer distributor, UC Beverages, was already there, and so was a bar 
> - then, Walsh's Tavern; now, Pasqually's Pizza & Beer.  Also, the Restaurant 
> School with its bar & liquor license was already across the street, just up 
> from the Rite Aid.  This is a commercial corridor, not a religious corridor. 
> - Melani Lamond
>  -------------------------------------
> 
> In a message dated 3/18/07 11:44:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> My point is that they had no control over what was already there but they 
> *can* state their position at future zoning board hearings. If you had 
> included the message I was responding to, I think that would be clear.
> 
> As I said before, I don't care if the liquor store stays where it is, moves, 
> or closes completely. What I do have an opinion about is this: Every 
> affected party should be heard whether their objections are religion-based or 
> not.
> 
> Frank
>  --------------------------
> 



Melani Lamond, Associate Broker
Urban & Bye, Realtor
3529 Lancaster Ave.
Philadelphia, PA 19104
cell phone 215-356-7266
office phone 215-222-4800, ext. 113
office fax 215-222-1101


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