On Apr 6, 2007, at 06:20 AM, Anthony West wrote:

Say what? I am the first to publish that the boundaries, as defined by the Philadelphia City Planning Commission, have changed. Can you cite an earlier publication?

I stated what the boundaries are *now* as well as posting a link to the relevant documents very early in this discussion. (April 2, 2007 3:22:31 PM EDT) The link, by the way, was sent to me by Anthony Santaniello of PCPC with whom I am working on a Philadelphia Gay History walking tour for the APA convention next weekend. The next time I post a link to some facts I'll make sure to include my source, an interview and some photos if that's what is necessary to be taken seriously. It seems a bit excessive given the present subject, stickers on Abraccio.

The stickers are indeed placed in their appropriate Planning Analysis Sector. I did not know there were new PCPC definitions for our community; I was accustomed to the previous rules, according to which the stickers were inaccurate.

Again, I posted a link to the most current documents. If you didn't know, it's because you either didn't look, chose to ignore them or, as you stated, had an unreliable internet connection. Of course, just saying "Thanks for the info" seems to be completely out of the question.

In the most precise possible words, the stickers are in West Philadelphia if many folks feel they are; at the same time, and of equal truth, they are in University City if many folks feel they are.

There are feelings and there are facts. If someone put those stickers at 22nd & Diamond, no amount of feelings or number of people having them will change the fact that they are *not* in W. Philly.

But a designation like "West Philly" is much bigger than a neighborhood designation and cannot contrast with or replace a neighborhood designation. To put another way: it makes no sense to say,

"THIS IS WEST PHILLY
Haddington / Dunlap / Mill Creek / Mantua is a marketing scheme."

Because they're not. It's been said repeatedly here that the University City brand was created to sell houses which makes it essentially different from most other neighborhoods in the city. The expansion of Old City when it became Olde City and oozed over to Walnut St. was also a marketing effort.

They aren't marketing schemes. They are well-known and long- established neighborhoods that are part of West Philadelphia, which is far too big to be a neighborhood in itself. It's not a neighborhood name and hasn't been for 100 years.

That's crap. When I was a child, living at 49th & Locust, going to deSales and West Catholic, my house and my schools were in West Philly, a neighborhood.

Frank (who is finished with this minutia)

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