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From: Andy Frishkoff
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2007 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: Considering the Facts [Was: Re: [UC] Re: **Dock St Rumor**...]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote [OFFLIST]:
>>the installation of dock street at the firehouse meant that local
>>vendors first had to move elsewhere.
Ray, this is what I don't understand. Shouldn't this read: "moving local
vendors elsewhere meant the building owner needed to find a new tenant(s)" or
"the inability to maintain a sufficient number of thriving vendors necessitated
a different occupancy model for the Firehouse"?
...snip...
Whether UCD played a matchmaker role in bringing Dock Street to the Firehouse
is ripe fodder for speculation, but to suggest that the building owner moved
the vendors out specifically to bring in Dock Street seems contrary to
available information.
Andy
Andy,
I don't get this confusion understanding Ray's posts on this issue. It seems
clear that Ray is laying out a rather serious contradiction. I don't see him
suggesting the final answer to the contradiction as you imply. He is placing
the contradictory information in an orderly manner and citing the public
sources where the contradiction arises. Within the context of his posts, I
believe he is asking us to think about this rather than asserting the final
knowledge on the matter.
I generally dismiss the misunderstanding in the responses of Melani, Tony
and pmuyhera as deliberate, but I think you're just misreading these posts. I
think there has been an increase in using quotes out of context to assert new
meanings to a written message. You have to reread the entire posts.
I think Karen has done a good job with a possible answer to the contradiction
and I agree with her interpretation. The source of the contradiction is UCD
"spin." I'll simply take it a bit farther.
Spin is a politically correct marketing term for deliberately confusing or
lying to the uninformed. UCD is an agent for the University of Pennsylvania.
Whatever bullshit is necessary to support their and their civic association
partners top down hallucinations is the bullshit the UCD will get behind. Truth
is not an important issue for the UCD or some civic associations. It's all
about power and misusing it.
I appreciate Ray's efforts to bring together in an orderly manner this public
information that is relevant to his discussions. And I thought Karen's, Fred's
and Al's additions were done appropriately and added to the discussion about
these contradictions. Now I add "my rant" about the conduct of this UCD. Hope
you reread the whole discussion.
Sincerely,
Glenn
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From: UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Considering the Facts [Was: Re: [UC] Re: **Dock St Rumor**...]
Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2007 00:55:25 -0400
>KAREN ALLEN wrote:
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>>Ray, I'm going to have to jump in and -- [snipped for brevity]
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>thanks karen, you're summarizing what I've been pointing out, as far
>as the disconnect between the premise about the firehouse's success
>and its actual success. (and I don't see this as a disagreement
>between us). and it looks like we're in agreement that the
>installation of dock street (dormant since 2001) at the firehouse
>meant that local vendors first had to move elsewhere. this 'moving
>around' is what I was pointing out to bruce and al, offlist, in the
>first place. here is that original exchange, in its original
>context:
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>Al Krigman wrote:
>>How does this point relate to the idea that many of the proponents
>>also endorse, that Baltimore Ave be somehow made more of an
>>upscale "destination" for people who don't live in the area,
>>presumably by replacing commercial enterprises that serve nearby
>>residents?
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>Bruce McCullough wrote:
>>Hadn't heard of a plan to replace commercial enterprises that serve
>> nearby residents. It would seem to be difficult, what with lease
>>contract and private property ownership rights. Whose idea is it?
>> Do you have any references or citations to share?
>
>Al Krigman wrote:
>>If new, upscale shoppes, fern bars, boutiques, etc go in,
>>something's gotta give. There aren't enough empty spaces in which
>>they could be located. Contract and property rights violations
>>aren't involved (as you know).
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote [OFFLIST]:
>>the installation of dock street at the firehouse meant that local
>>vendors first had to move elsewhere.
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>UNIVERSITY*CITOYEN
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