Just to tap a dead horse lightly on the skull: if Zitcer lives here, he is under no more obligation to interview his neighbors than Ray is or I am, when voicing his opinion about his own neighborhood. The ability to talk with one's neighbors is admirable and should make one's opinions about one's neighborhood stronger. But even social isolates are free to hold forth their views about their home.

Rhetorical flourishes aside, Zitcer doesn't need to cite evidence Philadelphians want better schools, better transit, more effective government and safer, cleaner streets. This is not really "his own marketing scheme"; it's a wishlist widespread at all levels of society and well documented.

One useful outcome of this tepid thread, of which I am admittedly in part guilty, would be for everyone on UC-list to quit using the word "marketing" as if it were an insult. It sounds great, the first time around, and riles the blood quite prettily the next time.... Ultimately, though, it leads us all nowhere. Nobody in America is a marketing virgin, and marketing abstinence has not been proven to reduce the rate of either STDs or NIDs. So be polite and cut people some slack while they're marketing, because it could be you on the poopseat the next time.

It is always in good form to criticize *bad marketing*. That's different. But you must then spit out what's bad about it. How does it differ from good marketing, in point of detail? I read posts on UC-list from astute marketing critics who identify flaws in marketing strategies they don't like. More power to 'em!

-- Tony West

Ray wrote:
and it's also not likely that zitcer would have interviewed anyone from the community for opinions, even though he wondered why the stickers were made. as he puts it, he's "well-educated, gainfully employed and safe" while some of his neighbors "aren't". also, he assures us, he isn't kept awake at night thinking about what to call the neighborhood (which we can believe, especially after he's taken the trouble to write all this for the city paper).

the main thing, though, is that zitcer himself already had his own marketing scheme to promote, not anyone else's: "The marketing campaign we need to conduct is one in which we demand and work for better schools, better transit, more effective government and safer, cleaner streets." and with marketing like that, who needs photo evidence or corroborating community opinions?


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